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   Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 01:28:13 JST Hyolobrika

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   • Mr.NutterButter
   • Thorwegian ❄️
   • Kirino Kousaka
   >the "precursor to the Holocaust was the T4 program, one which Hitler did sign off on but later rescinded due to the public's negative response.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
   >Aktion T4 (German, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was a campaign of mass murder by involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany
   You're not making him sound like a good guy here.
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 01:28:15 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     • Mr.NutterButter
     • Thorwegian ❄️

     Mhm

     Also, from what research I've been doing (am busy boy :O) the "precursor to the Holocaust was the T4 program, one which Hitler did sign off on but later rescinded due to the public's negative response.

     Additionally, before mid 1941 the "solution" was the removal of Jewish peoples from the state and controlled territories. I think it's a letter from Goering to Heydrich which serves as the only document signing off on the "final solution". Hitler's name is never mentioned.

     Another thing to consider is by the end of 1942 Hitler was practically in hiding (he gave 8 speeches between 1943-1945 but 6 in 1942 alone), even if (hypothetically) he didn't sign off on the Holocaust but became aware of it, what was he to do? He was fighting a war on two fronts by this point. It would be one of those "We'll deal with them later" things.

     Of course I'm very biased and strongly playing Devil's advocate, I just find it a fascinating possibility. I wonder how the public's opinion would change if a letter came out along the lines of "We're enacting the final solution, The Fuhrer must never know".

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     Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 01:28:16 JST Thorwegian ❄️

     • Mr.NutterButter
     • Kirino Kousaka

     @Kirino @Mr_NutterButter While he may not have been signing the papers to send people to death chambers, I do think he had some awareness of it. Maybe not to the degree that he was confronted with the carnage personally, but to be fair, that's politicians in general. They usually get away with what they did. He saw it as good for Germany. Everyone around him thought it was a good idea. And pre-WWII, even the United States, Sweden and other countries had programs in place to prevent the "undesirables" from breeding. Pre-WWII, much of what we now consider nazi propaganda was 100% mainstream and acceptable.