Andrea, but a scary version
It's getting to a point where I'm just going to start openly insulting crackers. I'm tired of extending grace to people who want to force feed me the idea that the US can be "saved" through elections.
I could share all the information I have including my own testimonials of being assaulted, silenced, and discriminated against to try to convince y'all that fascism isn't coming, it's already here.
But the thing about it is honkies don't want to know that, they just want to scold uppity negroes
accretionist
@NoFlexZone look at the amount of people who vote
if more people voted, do you think we'd be where we are today?
carl marks
You have a lot of reading to do. You don't deserve all of the good faith engagement you've been given by these kind Black folks in this thread. You don't know what you're talking about and it shows. No knowledge, no understanding, no real research, but you want to fight every nignog you can find on the Internet today, saying if they don't vote they're making the problem worse.
Some others ain't said it, so I will. I'm not voting, and fuck you for thinking you can shame me for it. Go fuck yourself, read some damn books, and never again fix your ignorant pathetic mouth to argue with oppressed people who know more about politics than a shitbag like you could ever hope to learn.
This is the engagement you earned today. I hope you do better tomorrow, with someone else. I guarantee it won't be with me ever again and I encourage others to follow suit.
No time for racist ass motherfuckers wasting Black folks time. Get fucked.
DieMadColonizer
@accretionist do you think the US can be "saved" through elections? If so can you cite a time the US was "saved" by elections?
accretionist
@thiswomanswerk "I'm tired of extending grace to people who want to force feed me the idea that the US can be "saved" through elections."
i disagree
so i engaged you are on your argument
i engaged only on those terms
everything else you write is nothing but mystifying
i think of you is my equal, my fellow citizen
"There is nothing you can say to me that I can take seriously. Take your ass on somewhere."
think any way you like about anything you like in this world. that is your right. but if you *put it out there* then i have the equal right to engage you *on the terms of your argument*. i don't have the right to insult you. which i never did
unfollowed
accretionist
@thiswomanswerk if you put forth any rationale that disincentivizes voting, you will hear pushback from me
as a man? as a white man?
no, as your felllow citizen. as your equal
but we won't be. if we don't vote
*we*
Andrea, but a scary version
@accretionist you are not treating me as an equal.
You are twisting my words. You are ignoring my pain. You are willfully ignorant of my experiences of a Black queer southern femme. That isn't equality.
Your oppressors delight in what you say, using your time and energy to attempt to silence or control the words of an outspoken black queer who has always been on America's chopping block.
There is nothing you can say to me that I can take seriously. Take your ass on somewhere.
Andrea, but a scary version
@accretionist as a man, I consider you one of "those who oppress" me. Do you take delight in misinterpreting my words?
accretionist
@thiswomanswerk voting is not about how things are, it's about how they should be
if you don't vote, you've accepted the unacceptable. cynicism is self-fulfilling prophecy. those who oppress you take delight in your words
everything i just said? it has absolutely nothing to do with race
"it has everything to do with race!": yes, all of the sh** we are in *now* is about race
and how do you get out of it?:
voting is not about how things are, it's about how they should be
carl marks
@thiswomanswerk you really upset the no-purpose-flour out there with this one
carl marks
@NoFlexZone and lo, for Ever and Ever shalt he Evade and ne'er shalt he answer satisfyingly. Alack!
DieMadColonizer
@accretionist @tillshadeisgone oh ye arbiter of good faith would you care to answer the question I asked you, that you have been evading lo these 14 posts ago?
accretionist
"You have a lot of reading to do. You don't deserve all of the good faith engagement"
i stopped reading here. i was insulted for insisting on voting. not much good faith going on
argumento :socialiststar:
No, I would not. I think that siding with genocide is unacceptable, and Biden, Trump and RFK Jr, as well as a number of US officials, have sided with the genocide in Palestine. What you have is a fascist regime that runs on two parties, and that have you fighting over "issues" so they can continue their warmongering agenda all over the world.
And I think it's about time Americans face that reality and do something about it.
accretionist
@argumento so you would agree it is way more complicated than "do you like biden"?
accretionist
@argumento gracias
y te gusta obrador?
¿si o no, usted argumenta “tu voto no importa” en mexico?
argumento :socialiststar:
@accretionist The political landscape is way more complicated than "te gusta Obrador", and no, no "me gusta".
Please stop with the broken Spanish, is painful to read.
Here's what I was saying back in 2015.
argumento :socialiststar:
I'm from Mexico and I thought it was obvious by the use of the word gringo. I didn't make my country of origin a topic, I made the Monroe Doctrine and USA imperialism a topic. The "fun" part about it is that the whole subcontinent is under America's thumb, including Venezuela or Cuba, who suffer from economical blockades and seizure of assets for affirming their sovereignty.
accretionist
i agree
but saying what country you are from is not doxxing
and he continuously referred to the country he was from. he made it a topic
DieMadColonizer
@accretionist @argumento don't ask people to dox themselves that's weird.
accretionist
@argumento @NoFlexZone could you be more specific? i have no problem with open dialog, but i certainly have a problem with someone who criticizes from cloaked position and allows no criticism in return. then i would need ot disengage
accretionist
that's a nice grab bag of strawmen you got there
the person you describe is terrible. luckily, it's not me
and where are you from friend?
argumento :socialiststar:
I'm from a place that's run by the US of A, who is the real power in the country, as any important decision, including who runs for office, has to be checked with the American embassy first.
argumento :socialiststar:
Of course, how would YOU know. You live in one of the most ideologizised countries in the world. Americans, and in particular white Americans like you, have a hubris only comparable to their ignorance. You get spoon fed corporate propaganda every morning and then you accuse those who don't eat it of "purism".
The lack of self awareness white gringos have...
argumento :socialiststar:
Not wanting someone that puts migrant children in cages is far from demanding a "godlike" candidate, ROFL. Talk about the bar being low...
Let me tell you how democracy works, you organize people around an idea or program, that's called a "political party", and then you spread your program in order to get voters, then you go to the poll, and fail, and try again.
Thinking you have two set options and HAVE to choose between either is not democratic at all.
accretionist
@argumento @NoFlexZone you are saying that having terrible choices for candidates is a form of coercion
as long as democracy existed, democraocy today, and democracy forever more, the candidates before you will stink in various ways. apparently, for it not be coercion, to you, we must have a candidate who is godlike
interesting take my friend
accretionist
@argumento @NoFlexZone yes, biden sucks
so let's dwell on how much biden sucks
and not vote, or vote third party
and then get a GOP candidate elected
and what will they do on your stated concern?
argumento :socialiststar:
You think blackmailing is a convincing argument?
argumento :socialiststar:
Just here to remind you that all those that voted for Biden for his promise that he was going to shut down the program that separates migrant children from their parents got lied to.
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