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   Catelli (catelli@mstdn.ca)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:17:37 JST Catelli

   TIL.

   You can’t charge an EV when travelling without a smartphone (and the requisite app on the smartphone.)

   To buy gasoline, all I need is my wallet. Cash, credit, debit. You know, how we pay for everything else.

   WTF are we even doing here? Why can’t I purchase electricity to charge like I purchase any other fuel? Why are we complicating things on purpose?

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:17:37 JST feld

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     • JP Mens
     @Catelli @jpmens That is a problem specific to non-Tesla chargers. Tesla charging auto bills you. No app needed.
     
     There's also the problem where in some US states it's illegal to charge for electricity so you have the be billed for the amount of time your plugged in instead of the amount of electricity consumed.
     
     So it's not like you can go to every charger in the USA and say "I want to top up the tank with 5kW" like "I want to top up the tank with 5 gallons".
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:26:42 JST feld

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     • JP Mens
     @jpmens Yes, it's true. If you are not the regulated company that generates and delivers the electricity it's illegal to charge for electricity to other people in some states.
     
     I've attached two images: one is Florida where the SuperCharger rate is per kWh, and the other is Wisconsin where it's billed *per minute*
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     JP Mens (jpmens@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:26:43 JST JP Mens

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     @feld I’d swear you said “in some US states it's illegal to charge for electricity”; the sun must be frying my brain

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:33:12 JST feld

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     • Hoss Delgado
     @Hoss Again, it's illegal in many US states to charge people for electricity if you are not the power company so you can't literally bill them for the consumed kWh. You have to treat it as a service where you charge customers based on the amount of time the customer used it.
     
     I know it seems insane but they did this so people wouldn't buy electricity at the fantastic bulk rates -- say 4c/kWh and then sell to others at a discount of e.g., 8c/kWh when the general public would normally be paying 12c/kWh
     
     Yes, the regular people get absolutely fucked on their electricity costs compared to industrial customers.
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     Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:33:13 JST Hoss Delgado

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     • JP Mens
     Doesn't it make the most logical sense to bill per kWh?
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     not Evander Sinque (filis@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:34:15 JST not Evander Sinque

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     • JP Mens

     @jpmens @feld same in France vs Germany. Don't know if for the same reasons. Though I do like the time based approach. Makes people hog chargers less.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:39:08 JST feld

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     • not Evander Sinque
     @FiLiS @jpmens oil is a somewhat "free market" in most of the world whereas electricity is extremely regulated in comparison. This is one of those unexpected side effects as we never expected people to be buying electricity in this way 🫠
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:40:11 JST feld

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     • Hoss Delgado
     @Hoss we can't until we get to the bottom of Hunter Biden's laptop lol
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     Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:40:12 JST Hoss Delgado

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     • feld
     This is so fucking stupid, just update the laws.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:45:12 JST feld

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     • Hoss Delgado
     @Hoss Federal can just refuse to provide funding for energy to states that don't change their laws. Boom, fixed
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     Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 06:45:13 JST Hoss Delgado

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     • feld
     Considering this seems to be largely a matter of state-level jurisdiction, I don't think that'll be an issue.