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   ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 19:43:48 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

   • Big Richard
   • Moffin'tosh
   No, it's cool when the government take 60% of your income via various taxes from income to sales to gas tax. That's not stealing.
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     Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 21:18:40 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @Humpleupagus

     Extracting the most out of one's workers is only possible when one doesn't care if the workers leave, i.e. over-supply of the service.

     Government only has to deal with the threshold of emigration and possibly open armed rebellion and can therefore steal a lot more.

     And corporations, don't forget, are the tax collectors of the government, in exchange for government protection of the owners and managers. However, doesn't apply to small firms.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 21:29:54 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Above, I mentioned the W-2 scheme you referenced.
     
     There's is another view though, and that's that W-2 withholding is basically a psyop created by the government and large institutional employers. The theory is basically that the business is the actual tax payer, and the paystub is just a book keeping entry that gives the employee the false sense that there's something to fight about re wages and taxes (because they see money being taken) and therefore they NPC and become predictable and controllable political actors. It leads the employee to believe they have something to fight about re ownership of the business, taxes, wages, or the government. "My taxes paid for that!"
     
     Think of it this way, if the government collects taxes to create or maintain roads, is it for the employee who "needs to get to work" or the employer who "needs labor pools to have access to their workplace" and "products to have access to markets'? Cui bono?
     
     So the employer and the government, via W-2, tricks the "tax payer" into believing that they're actually paying taxes (when the business is the one making the deposits with the fed) and thereby gets them to psychologically vest themselves into the NPC political games and economic life.
     
     Labor law can work n the same way. OP believes she has a vested interest and wants to fight about it. The ultimate NPC mind slave.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 22:12:53 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Another issue is the cost. One reason college and Healthcare are so expensive is because the government has made large pools of money available to those industries, which is then lobbied for. There's little limiting factor in the expenditure. Because the money is lobbied for, the quality goes down, because the means of getting the money is not the quality of the service, but rather political cronyism. So even if you get what you paid for, it often isn't as good or as cheap as it would be in markets where everyone paid directly.
     
     For example, if doctors had to scramble to get patients and couldn't just make insurance claims to collect, the price of care would necessarily plummet and quality would go up as doctors competed. Take away the control they have over the prescriptions, that they're the only game in town, and you could get advice from a gp for $60/hr easily, you'd be seen quicker, and sometimes the same day. But no, we got communist faggots who don't understand markets whatsoever, and so we pay out the ass and wait weeks to see a doctor. I was around in the 80's. I remember what it was like. Doctors still made house calls. But this is winning for the commies I guess. 🙄
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     Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 22:12:54 JST Lichelord Godfrey

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     @Humpleupagus @Big_Richard @moffintosh it'd be "cool" if they actually used it to keep up infrastructure and roll back integrationist policies or something.

     instead I get crumbling infrastructure to drive my shitty car on while taking gay ass toll roads to avoid inner city "youths" on my way to work (and I'm not sure if the toll really pays for the infrastructure, either).

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     AlabasterBrick ?‍☠️ (alabasterbrick@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 22:14:55 JST AlabasterBrick ?‍☠️

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     >commies=kikes
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 22:33:23 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     I'm not saying which theory to buy. I'm just saying it's ourmt there. It does make some sense though in context given the creation of the income tax, the fed, and the full assembly line industrialization of the US after that, all the way down to the schools. FDR put it all on steroid shortly after the initial legal structures were in place.
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     Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 22:33:24 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @Humpleupagus

     So in your opinion, if government didn't steal half the salary, the employee would still only get what they get now?

     When I ran a company, I paid the employees as much as possible, to ensure that they didn't leave to someone who paid more. From my PoV, income tax is paid for by the employees, and so are all the additional social fees (in Europe) on top.

     A Swedish corporation started to put ALL the taxes on the payslip, and was outlawed immediately.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 23:20:06 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • EvilSandmich
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     My mom just got a referral to a neurologist. The appointment is in June. 🙄
     
     I don't understand how referring GP's aren't on the hook for non-treatment during that period. The patient is under their care.
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     EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 23:20:07 JST EvilSandmich

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     @Humpleupagus @lichelordgodfrey @moffintosh @Big_Richard The story I always tell people of waiting several months to see a dermatologist in the states versus when I was visiting China and we walked right in to the hospital/med center and into the dermatologist‘s office (with the dermatologist there sitting their waiting for us). That’s what cash-on-the-table buys. In the states patients are, at best, tertiary customers to the government and insurance companies; it really is amazing it works at all.
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     Today is a good day (77@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 23:32:08 JST Today is a good day

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     @Humpleupagus @EvilSandmich @moffintosh @lichelordgodfrey @Big_Richard The good ones try, but there’s a reason they referred it - they don’t have the specialized training to do it without a high likelihood of making mistakes. A better solution would be for the specialist do either see the patients earlier or do a quick video consult and set up a plan the GP can administer to bridge the patient until the meeting.
     
     Good luck to your mom, I hope everything works out well for her.
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