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    Joe McLaughlin (joemcl@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 21:59:57 JST Joe McLaughlin Joe McLaughlin
    • Evan Prodromou

    @evan any updates, impressions, etc from the meeting with the Threads folks re fediverse interop? Thanks!

    In conversation Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 21:59:57 JST from mastodon.cloud permalink
    • Tim Chambers, Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 and Fediverse Report repeated this.
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 21:59:57 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      @joemcl sure.

      Threads fediverse support is going to be rolling out in stages over the next year. First read-only, then with likes and shares, then replies, then two-way follow.

      They are mostly concerned about privacy for Threads users, so they won't be federating in ways that put that privacy at risk.

      In conversation Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 21:59:57 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 23:28:44 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Johannes Ernst

      @joemcl @J12t Yes. I think there was a clear answer that the business model would be ad-supported and that any ads would be shown to Threads users only.

      In conversation Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 23:28:44 JST permalink
      Tim Chambers and Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 repeated this.
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      Joe McLaughlin (joemcl@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 23:28:45 JST Joe McLaughlin Joe McLaughlin
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou

      @evan thanks. Interesting. Seems like it's for real. Anything you'd add to what @J12t wrote at https://reb00ted.org/tech/20231208-meta-threads-data-dialogue/

      In conversation Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 23:28:45 JST permalink

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        reb00ted | Meta/Threads Interoperating in the Fediverse Data Dialogue Meeting yesterday
      Tim Chambers repeated this.
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 23:31:17 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Johannes Ernst

      @joemcl @J12t Also, as far as I could tell, the most important use case for them is that a creator could move from Threads to their own server, even if they get de-platformed. I think the major motivator here is Mark Zuckerberg having to go testify in front of Congress twice a year or whatever, and getting grilled by conservative Congresspeople about de-platforming. Being able to say, you can get kicked off Threads but keep your followers, is a big win in this situation.

      In conversation Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 23:31:17 JST permalink
      Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 repeated this.
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 04:15:55 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Johannes Ernst

      @joemcl @J12t https://w3c.github.io/activitypub/data-portability-report.html

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 04:15:55 JST permalink

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      Joe McLaughlin (joemcl@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 04:15:56 JST Joe McLaughlin Joe McLaughlin
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou

      @evan

      @J12t

      Huh. Still not sure how a followers list can be pulled from one server to another, I haven't tried moving across various Fediverse instances. Will have to check that out. That would definitely be a departure for Meta/ Facebook.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 04:15:56 JST permalink
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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:07:38 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou

      @evan @joemcl @J12t

      Would seem that we need to define user and content migration into ActivityPub ASAP….

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:07:38 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:32 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Tim Bray

      @J12t @timbray @joemcl agreed. That's why we have a data portability task force at the w3c.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:32 JST permalink
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      Johannes Ernst (j12t@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:33 JST Johannes Ernst Johannes Ernst
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      • Evan Prodromou
      • Tim Bray

      @timbray Ah! I believe Firefish imports Mastodon as well, but IMHO we need something that works more broadly, both social network and content.

      @joemcl @evan

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:33 JST permalink
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      Tim Bray (timbray@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:34 JST Tim Bray Tim Bray
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou

      @J12t @joemcl @evan Masto-to-Masto.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:34 JST permalink
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      Johannes Ernst (j12t@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:36 JST Johannes Ernst Johannes Ernst
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      • Evan Prodromou
      • Tim Bray

      @timbray Between which apps did you migrate?

      /cc @joemcl @evan

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:36 JST permalink
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      Tim Bray (timbray@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:37 JST Tim Bray Tim Bray
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou

      @joemcl @evan @J12t I've migrated four times, the last time I had 10K followers. I find that a very tiny proportion seem to get lost, but basically it just works.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:35:37 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:36:26 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Dana Fried

      @tess @joemcl @J12t I think the big question for Threads and standards is how they can participate without taking over. It's going to be a delicate balance.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:36:26 JST permalink
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      Dana Fried (tess@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:36:27 JST Dana Fried Dana Fried
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      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou

      @evan @joemcl @J12t feels like something the Threads folks might even pitch in to help implement.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 10:36:27 JST permalink
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      Raven Onthill (ravenonthill@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:04:47 JST Raven Onthill Raven Onthill
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      • Evan Prodromou

      @evan @joemcl Meta concerned about user privacy? Really?

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:04:47 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:04:47 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Raven Onthill

      @ravenonthill @joemcl yes.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:04:47 JST permalink
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      Ben Ramsey (ramsey@phpc.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:32:23 JST Ben Ramsey Ben Ramsey
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      • Tim Chambers
      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou
      • Tim Bray

      @timbray @tchambers @evan @joemcl @J12t User migration is part of Mastodon, but I don’t think it’s part of ActivityPub.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:32:23 JST permalink
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      Tim Bray (timbray@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:32:24 JST Tim Bray Tim Bray
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      • Tim Chambers
      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou

      @tchambers @evan @joemcl @J12t We have user migration already, it works fine.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:32:24 JST permalink
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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:35:07 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      • Ben Ramsey
      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou
      • Tim Bray

      @ramsey @timbray @evan @joemcl @J12t

      This is what I mean: we should move the de facto standard Mastodon, Firefish and a couple others use for migration of account/followers/following/liats/bookmarks and make that a true ActivityPub standard — then work on standardization of post migration on top of that.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 11:35:07 JST permalink
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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 12:19:10 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      • Ben Ramsey
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      • Evan Prodromou
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      @ramsey @timbray @evan @joemcl @J12t

      I think Firefish has a version of post migration working now…. cc: @kainoa

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 12:19:10 JST permalink
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      Ben Ramsey (ramsey@phpc.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 12:19:11 JST Ben Ramsey Ben Ramsey
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      • Tim Chambers
      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou
      • Tim Bray

      @tchambers @timbray @evan @joemcl @J12t I don’t think post migration would or should work. Tim wrote a blog post about this, which I tend to agree with.

      Post migration could only work if each post/object has an ID unique across the Fediverse, which is where Bluesky landed with the AT Protocol, and it’s how they support decoupling profiles/data from the services.

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Dec-2023 12:19:11 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 00:59:31 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Nemo_bis 🌈

      @nemobis I don't understand your point. What effects would you expect to observe?

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 00:59:31 JST permalink
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      Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 00:59:33 JST Nemo_bis 🌈 Nemo_bis 🌈
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      • Evan Prodromou

      @evan Have they considered doing it in smaller stages with subsets of users, for example only users in a certain language or geography? That would also allow to pay closer attention to the most affected federated instances, instead of having to observe effects scattered everywhere all at once.

      #InstagramThreads #FediMeta

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 00:59:33 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:05:03 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Runyan50
      • Fediverse Report

      @Runyan50 @joemcl @fediversereport which goal is that?

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:05:03 JST permalink
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      Runyan50 (runyan50@newsie.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:05:04 JST Runyan50 Runyan50
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      • Evan Prodromou
      • Fediverse Report

      @evan @joemcl @fediversereport Their goal is impossible and stupid.

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:05:04 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:10:05 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Nemo_bis 🌈

      @nemobis OK. So your idea is that they would enable federation for Australian Threads users, for example, and then measure how many reports they get from those Threads users about harassment and abuse from the fediverse? And then use that information to decide whether to federate further?

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:10:05 JST permalink
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      Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:10:07 JST Nemo_bis 🌈 Nemo_bis 🌈
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      • Evan Prodromou

      @evan For example trends in abuse, reports etc.

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:10:07 JST permalink
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      Jeff Sikes (box464@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:42:56 JST Jeff Sikes Jeff Sikes
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      • Tim Chambers
      • Ben Ramsey
      • Johannes Ernst
      • Evan Prodromou
      • Tim Bray
      • Sharkey - Official Account

      @tchambers @ramsey @timbray @evan @joemcl @J12t @kainoa Firefish does have it. And @Sharkey, a misskey fork, recently added Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter imports as well. There are limits…no replies, likes, boosts are included. Not federated on import.

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:42:56 JST permalink

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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:45:01 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      • Sharkey - Official Account

      @box464 @ramsey @timbray @evan @joemcl @J12t @kainoa

      Interesting, @Sharkey is new to me!

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 01:45:01 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 04:47:39 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Runyan50
      • Fediverse Report

      @Runyan50 @joemcl @fediversereport Are you sure you're in the right conversation?

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 04:47:39 JST permalink
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      Runyan50 (runyan50@newsie.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 04:47:40 JST Runyan50 Runyan50
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      • Evan Prodromou
      • Fediverse Report

      @evan @joemcl @fediversereport Wiping out violent extremists opposed to Israel.

      In conversation Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 04:47:40 JST permalink

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