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   AI6YR Ben (ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:33:35 JST AI6YR Ben

   • Jackson Palmer
   • Paul Chambers

   @paul @ummjackson Ah yes, forgot, Mozilla not really a non-profit anymore. Kind of like the Red Cross (which has a giant business supplying blood to hospitals).

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     Jackson Palmer (ummjackson@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:33:34 JST Jackson Palmer

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     @ai6yr @paul It's just amusing to me that Mozilla gets on an ethical high horse about not being like other Silicon Valley tech companies, when it's really run no differently than a bad startup.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:33:34 JST Aral Balkan

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     @ummjackson @ai6yr @paul Their head of public policy at the time once told me at a conference we were both speaking at: “Aral, I don’t understand why you’re holding us to a higher standard… We’re just another Silicon Valley tech company.”

     (Needless to say it took me a moment to pick my jaw off the floor before replying “But that’s not what you tell people, is it?”

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     AI6YR Ben (ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:33:35 JST AI6YR Ben

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     @paul @ummjackson I am quite familiar with the "but that's market rate for a CEO" arguments, I think all the nonprofit people here who believe that have blocked me already, LOL. I may be naive and clueless about such things, but when a nonprofit pays exorbitant amounts to their executives (even if that's "market rate for talent")--and relies on free volunteers for everything else-- I feel like our system is very, very broken. I have no objection to "nonprofit CEO being paid decent middle class salary", but when the "nonprofit CEO must be able to afford their mansion/yacht like the rest of the CEOs" it just make me very sad.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:40:44 JST Aral Balkan

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     @ummjackson @ai6yr @paul PR is a helluva drug.

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     Jackson Palmer (ummjackson@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:40:45 JST Jackson Palmer

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Paul Chambers

     @aral @ai6yr @paul Literally from Mozilla.org

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:51:34 JST Aral Balkan

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     @ummjackson @ai6yr @paul Every time I mention it I get “respectable” tech folks jumping down my throats because either they or their friends work there. I’m not surprised most folks don’t want that in their lives even if they see the core hypocrisies.

     https://ar.al/2021/05/08/ethics-as-pr-or-the-some-very-good-people-work-there-fallacy/

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     Jackson Palmer (ummjackson@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 08:51:35 JST Jackson Palmer

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     • Aral Balkan
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     @aral @ai6yr @paul It's scary how effective it is... they receive far too little public scrutiny imo.