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   kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:10:34 JST kaia
   $100 gets you a cheap new Chromebook or a used ThinkPad :ChenShrug:
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     symmetrizer (symmetrizer@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:15:27 JST symmetrizer

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     @kaia this is kind of sad. When the raspberry pis became so beefed up, power hungry and expensive the kind of lost relevance for me

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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:26:08 JST grillchen

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     @kaia power consumption is lower, IO is better. different use cases to a laptop. and a laptop is still more expensive
     
     the price is pretty wrong, it was available few days ago for below 70€
     
     im more annoyed by the pi often being mislabeled as open hardware. i have big hopes for stuff like the beagleV
     
     Open Source and OpenHardware with an OpenSource CPU:
     
     https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beaglev-ahead
     
     Havent compared benchmarks but i assume it is still much weaker than current gen pis
     
     
     i might get another pi zero 2 w or pi 4 for different use cases. sure laptops or whatever could do similar things but the IO is much worse, the documentation also and the energy + space consumption much higher
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:39:11 JST Sexy Moon

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     @grillchen @kaia I have a couple beagleboard blacks, they never get used because there's just no support for them like the pis. they have little coprocessors on them for running things like gpio and literally almost nobody uses them so there's not good information
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     symmetrizer (symmetrizer@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:49:51 JST symmetrizer

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     @phnt @kaia imagine all the pi:s living in drawers not having been used in years, in a pile. That is probably a huuuuuge pile. Also kind of sad.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:49:52 JST Phantasm

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     @symmetrizer @kaia On the other hand, most people just buy them, thinking they will make use of it and then put them in a drawer and forget about it.
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     Michcia (michcia@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:50:07 JST Michcia

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     • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     @Natanox @kaia i think my view on this is rather that the zero is in a limbo for this, because it feels to me like too much power for this stuff, which could instead be served with something like an esp8266 with the added benefit of wifi
     
     i would say that what zero 2 is is the equivalent of the original base model, since it's comparable in power to model 3 so it's even a bit better. also wait what the website lists zero 2 w as 15$
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     Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:50:09 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     • Michcia

     @michcia @kaia The first Zero would be a nice SBC choice to build stuff like an environmental sensor station, smart regulators and stuff, given the GPIO pins. The Zero 2 is way too expensive for that purpose.

     With 30$/€ the Zero 2 is basically inside the limbo, not being a full SBC with the necessary I/O but also too expensive for smaller stuff unless you're rich enough to just spend hundreds on just a few of them.

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     Michcia (michcia@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:50:10 JST Michcia

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     • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     @Natanox @kaia honestly i am not sure what you're supposed to be doing with zero, but i admit i am out of touch with "normal" uses of a pi (i have a pi400 that's a home server)
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     Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:50:12 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     @michcia @kaia Kinda yes but no. No very point of the Raspberry Pi was its availability and low price. While the price might match the performance they've lost their objective of making technology accessible to almost anyone. It's most blatant with the Zero, which is a board that was even more specifically meant to be cheap.

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     Michcia (michcia@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:50:13 JST Michcia

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     @kaia i think both things have tradeoffs and the comparison ignores the difference in performance and having-wifi too
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:53:33 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @kaia i have never been able to get a rpi for the supposed retail price, they were always much more expensive
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:55:04 JST SlicerDicer

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     @lain @kaia I have like 20 of them so I’m good for a while.
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:58:10 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @SlicerDicer @kaia i used some small pi in the amiga 500 as a CPU replacement, it's pretty crazy but it works, adds RAM plus a virtual harddisk, too.
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 21:58:11 JST SlicerDicer

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     @lain @kaia I should mention the pi zero is really cool too.
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 22:02:45 JST grillchen

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     @Moon @kaia though this is just hope, i have no idea how ARM is to blame for bad driver support... we need better standarization for some things. like MIPI sucks hard
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 26-Nov-2023 22:02:46 JST grillchen

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     @Moon @kaia yeah kinda the reason why i might still go for a pi the coming year if necessary.
     
     but i really hope longterm risc-v will make stuff easier for all
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 00:51:23 JST grillchen

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     @m0n5t3r @kaia @Moon also got 2 oranges pis in use, happy with those
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     m0n5t3r (m0n5t3r@ps.m0n5t3r.info)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 00:51:24 JST m0n5t3r

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     @grillchen @Moon @kaia also, the BBB has always been more expensive and with less cpu / ram than the competition, and capes tend to be ridiculously expensive as well; I swore off raspberries in 2014, so I've mostly used orange pi / banana pi when needed (got 2 BBBs, one normal and one wireless, waiting in boxes to be put in a cnc controller and a 3d printer; they've been there for a few years already
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     m0n5t3r (m0n5t3r@ps.m0n5t3r.info)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 00:51:25 JST m0n5t3r

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     @grillchen @kaia @Moon with the beaglebone most of the blame is on TI - last time I looked you needed an archaic kernel version to get accelerated graphics, for instance, because the driver was a proprietary blob
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     MtnStateNomad (mtnstatenomad@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 02:00:51 JST MtnStateNomad

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     @kaia
     I was looking at PC network cards last week and noticed retail had jumped up to around $50 or more. I was like wtf, these used to be like $10 or so.

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     Heimdall (heimdall@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 04:08:36 JST Heimdall

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     @kaia

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     Xeon² (izaya@social.shadowkat.net)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 04:16:02 JST Xeon²

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     @kaia Got an i7 4790/8GB RAM/256GB SSD SFF desktop for $90 a few weeks ago, for my niece and nephew to play Minecraft and such
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     :shromeyes: :baba_shroomie: :shromeyes: (shroomie@0w0.is)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 04:29:24 JST :shromeyes: :baba_shroomie: :shromeyes:

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     @kaia i’ve heard that pine64 has a reasonable alternative, but i don’t really follow small-computer stuff nowadays anyways.

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     🇪🇺Grey08 🇩🇪🇬🇧 (grey08@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Nov-2023 06:48:14 JST 🇪🇺Grey08 🇩🇪🇬🇧

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     @kaia since the ceo ditched the community from 2020 till now i won't buy any Raspberry Pi. They showed there real face and it was not the "we do all for our community" one...
     I am really upset about that, probably more than i should XD
     So the next projects are planed with Lenovo's Tiny PC's, older Notebooks or some sort of Arduino or one of the ESP varieties..

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