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   Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 05:15:07 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)
   regardless of what maija said, the people they associate with is just incriminating in of itself tbqh, like there’s some instances in there that i’ve never seen before, and i took one look at them and… literally hitler emojis are used there so, yeah no this person’s an antisemite
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     @mja Huh?? What are you referring to?
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     @mja on antisemitic instances??? wild.
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     Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 05:16:32 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)

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     @allison copy and pasting subposts about me
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     nemesis (asbestos arc) (nemesis@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:35:43 JST nemesis (asbestos arc)

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     @maxine @mja I understand why fixating on “jewish elites” is a red flag to people and I entirely agree that most of the elites in western societies are not jewish, and outside the context of discussing Zionism there’s no real point in mentioning judaism at all. my post was specifically coming out of a context of being frustrated with a group of people on XF, who I’ve argued with about this on the past, who do get very mad if you try to connect Zionism with Jewish Amercians in any way (with nyx going so far as to claim that anyone who supported Zionism wasn’t “really” Jewish). as far as apologizing to them directly, that they’ve been much more mean to me than I have to them, and also most of them have more or less said they don’t want to interact with me ever again. I responded to you just because you’re the only one who pointed to my post directly as an example of antisemitism and because you seemed to me like you’d be reachable in a way they aren’t

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     maxine (maxine@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:35:44 JST maxine

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     @nemesis@the.asbestos.cafe @mja@comp.lain.la ive seen you post before and the apology is welcome but im not jewish so im not who you should be apologizing to. the majority of jews and leftists ive personally interacted with or seen on this platform pretty much universally agree with the ideas that jewish-american groups lobby and exploit the genocide committed against them to advance an ultimately evil, zionist, agenda. personally, i dont understanding whats the point of pointing out "jewish elites" when there are an even greater number of WASPs you can point to as the "elites". especially since the "jewish elites" narrative is abused to comical degrees by right winger weirdos to justify their actual real antisemitism.
     
     at the end of the day none of this particularly matters to me but i think enough people have seen what that kind of rtheroic has resulted in for jews to be immediately hostile to it. ive been down those rabbitholes and i had my rancid right winger phase (im not calling you one to be clear) and ive definitely said some shit i shouldnt have but had my friends there for me. some of them defended me or told me not to worry ahout the noise but the ones i valued the most told me to knock that shit out.

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     nemesis (asbestos arc) (nemesis@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:35:46 JST nemesis (asbestos arc)

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     @maxine @mja deep breath

     I apologize for this, I was trying to support maija against someone who said he wanted her to die and went too far into flirting with antisemitism than I should have

     but in terms of what I actually said, it just genuinely angers me how you are not allowed to point out that a huge reason Israel gets so much support from Western governments is due to the fact that a lot of influential jewish people lobby for it. the people on TLA and XF have been doing this obnoxious doublethink about trying to say that “zionism isn’t jewish” and its just not true, obviously not all American jews support israel but most of them (~80%) do, and organizations like AIPAC and the ADL have a tremendous amount of influence over US and (to a slightly lesser extent) European policy. Israel and Richard Perle drew up plans for the Iraq war before 9/11 even happened, but this gets erased from people’s memories because it’s “antisemitic” to mention it. the Holocaust gets 100x more attention than the Armenian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the Holodomor, the Cambodian genocide, the Congo Free State, or any number of other tragedies in history, largely because jewish-American organizations have exploited it to drive up support for Israel. it’s not a coincidence america is both the only country other than israel that has a massive jewish diaspora and the one country that consistently vetos UN resolutions against israel and provides with nearly unlimited military aid, and I’m not going to pretend it is to avoid “antisemitism”. when people talk about how evangelical Christians in the US fund TERFs in the UK, it’s seen as a good thing to investigate, but when you try talking about connections between the Israeli government and American Jewish organizations (for a particularly blatant example: Birthright Israel), it’s “antisemitism” and pointing out makes you an evil Nazi who should drink bleach

     “do you condemn antisemitism” feels like “do you condemn Hamas” to me, it’s a whataboutism dodge that people like nyx have wielded against me whenever I’ve tried to point this out. I made another comment elsewhere about how it was funny to me that “early life section reader” was being used as a term for antisemites, and what I meant was that there are many. many jewish elites, and everyone knows this but pointing it out makes you an “antisemite”. people like ildottore (the one who told me to drink bleach) even admit that this is the case, they just don’t want anyone to say so because it’s “antisemitism”

     I don’t believe in “ZOG” or think that jews are responsible for all the worlds ills or that most elites are jewish or that the Elders of Zion control the world. and I don’t have a problem with jewish people in general. I’m just tired of sucking up to concern trolls like lilli, ildottore and nyx exploiting “antisemitism”, especially when they also talk about how they think Stalin was based and repeatedly talk about how I deserve to be killed or sent to a labor camp just for not being a communist, and when they’ve tried in the past to hound maija off the internet. I’m an impulsive person and I shouldn’t have let my emotions get the better of me yesterday and I put things in language that I shouldn’t have out of a desire to piss them off. but saying that this is demonstrating flagrant hatred of jews on my part is just wrong, you’re taking out of context something that’s a response to someone literally calling for my friend’s death

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     maxine (maxine@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:35:47 JST maxine

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     @mja@comp.lain.la it doesnt matter if you or they say theyre not antisemetic when theyre saying shit like this. and this is what is being referenced by the person who saw these posts and posted angrily about it. theres no way you can post about "noticing demographics of western rulers" without coming off as antisemetic no matter what the intention was..

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     Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:35:48 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)

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     @maxine nemesis is not antisemetic lmao, thats not where this shit is referencing at all
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     maxine (maxine@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:35:49 JST maxine

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     tbf shit like this is absolutely antisemetic and too far for the average person. and its not even true so its incredibly stupid and makes you look bad. ive been down these rabbitholes before and tbh when i was this brainbroken some of my closest friends were people like this so i get it. im not in touch with any of them anymore.

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     nemesis (asbestos arc) (nemesis@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:57:39 JST nemesis (asbestos arc)

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     @maxine @mja
     
     > saying antisemetic things and hurting your friends or their friends or people they follow or whatever is just worse off for you. this side is fedi is already excluded from everywhere and seen as disposible and unwanted, i think a lot of people here would benefit greatly from extending a bit of empathy to each other
     
     yes, and I shouldn't have said what I did. but it seems like total bullshit to me that I get called out for saying something that could be vaguely interpreted as dogwhistling that I was hostile to jewish people in general, whereas people who talk about how they plan to kill half their mutuals after their revolution and how "Stalin didn't go far enough" and who have repeatedly fantasized about imprisoning or killing me and who in that very thread told me to drink bleach, don't ever get told that they need to "extend a bit of empathy". I'm not a leftist and I don't believe that the side that's right in a conflict is which ever is less "problematic", and I'm not going to let people guilt-trip me over this. that said I don't think this conversation is going anywhere, so, I'd like to end it. I am thankful you don't seem to see me as a bad person at least
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     maxine (maxine@den.raccoon.quest)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 08:57:40 JST maxine

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     @nemesis@the.asbestos.cafe @mja@comp.lain.la personally i have little stake in interpersonal drama but i do feel obligated to call out what i believe to be antisemetic. i'm interested in defending the thoughts and ideas of people im mutuals with, or even just people i follow and like seeing. im just more concerned in the human side of it, why feels the way they do. so i'm not calling it out for ideological reasons but because saying antisemetic things and hurting your friends or their friends or people they follow or whatever is just worse off for you. this side is fedi is already excluded from everywhere and seen as disposible and unwanted, i think a lot of people here would benefit greatly from extending a bit of empathy to each other.