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🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸 (lednabwm@mstdn.party)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:54 JST 🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸

Holy errors, Batman...
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  Jeramee (jeramee@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:35 JST Jeramee
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  They don't demand that level of proof for everyone. They'll treat you like a Messiah, too, if you speak their language.
  But, to effectively communicate to America's most religious, learning the bible won't help. You'll have to pick up a copy of Mein Kampf instead.
  https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/27/2004437/-This-Trump-painting-is-probably-the-most-disturbing-artwork-you-will-see
  
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  Jeramee (jeramee@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:36 JST Jeramee
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  At least Joseph Smith was a real person. We have conviction records in New York for fraud that show he existed.
  
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  DaWoDerPfeffer (dawoderpfeffer@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:36 JST DaWoDerPfeffer
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  The religious bunch doesn't need proof for Jesus.
  BUT
  If I say I am Jesus' reincarnation, the son of God, then they will demand all the proof possible and still stone me to death.
  Especially the GOP Nutters will shoot any reincarnation of Jesus as bloody "Communist", "Socialist" or even "Democrat" — God help us! 😜
  
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  HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 repeated this.
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  Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:37 JST Threadbane
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  Joseph Smith the Glass Looker, for example.
  
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  🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸 (lednabwm@mstdn.party)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:38 JST 🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸
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  Now we're getting claims that somebody showed up in India, claiming to be Jesus... in short, you can make this shit up, and some are perfectly fine with it.
  
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  Jeramee (jeramee@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:39 JST Jeramee
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  As far as that goes, there were many wandering preachers then, and Yeshua was a common name. There's no reason that the stories of many of these preachers couldn't have been cobbled together with embellishments that grow with time.
  Just like the different iterations of Batman offer the years.
  
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  Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:39 JST Threadbane
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  I generally bring up Sherlock Holmes as a comparison, and now that the copyrights have expired, there are new Sherlock Holmes stories by new authors popping up, just like the NT. I recall that Sherlock was modeled on a French police detective familiar to Conan Doyle, so something similar could have taken place with Yeshua. In any case, the NT is definitely fiction: The Further Adventures of Jesus Christ, Superstar.
  
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  Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:40 JST Steven 🥖
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  @Threadbane @DaWoDerPfeffer @Robert_R_Freitag_II @JoeQuinlan @lednabwm I think what this tells you is that "was there a historical Jesus" is defined in two contradictory ways that are played against each other in bad faith by theists.
  Like, if the question is "are historical claims made by the bible, about Jesus, true" the responsible answer fits somewhere between "obviously not" and "there is no evidence".
  But if the question is "was Christianity founded around a cult leader claiming to be the messiah, who would later come to be known as "Jesus Christ", that seems fairly likely.
  The trick is that people point to pretty good evidence for the second question, and claim that as historical proof for the first question.
  
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  Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:44 JST Threadbane
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  The NT authors tell us that Herod was killing first born Jewish sons to preempt a Messiah from dethroning him, retelling the Ramses legend and Passover. Besides the fact that the Jews themselves do not remember this - and they do remember stuff like this - the Romans didn't either. Romans were real bean counters, and they would have kept records of both Herod's edict and how many Jews they killed, day by day. They don't exist.
  
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  Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:45 JST Threadbane
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  The Herod stories are the ones that truly label the NT as fiction. First, the underlying reason for Mary and Joseph being in Bethlehem at all was to pay taxes, showing that the authors knew nothing about the procedures Romans used to collect taxes. Second, why in the world would Joseph take his late term pregnant wife with him - riding on a donkey!? It's interesting to note that Mary doesn't become a virgin for another 3 hundred years.
  
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  DaWoDerPfeffer (dawoderpfeffer@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:46 JST DaWoDerPfeffer
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  Exactly.
  So why are there "records" of a carpenter … but only generations AFTER that very carpenter died and not during his supposed "lifetime" when he was supposed to be Sooo disruptive to the Roman Rule!?
  Nothing about this adds up at all.
  But I see people want to believe … also Atheists, apparently 😉
  
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  Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:47 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II
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  Well, here's my take: Atheism is not an unreasonable position in and of itself. There are lots of good arguments for it. But selectively misapplying standards of historical attestation is not one of them.
  Nobody is challenging the historicity of these men's consulships just because the available evidence is not unambiguously contemporary instead of just ambiguously near-contemporary.
  I mean: carpenter vs aristocrat. Who leaves more records?
  
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  DaWoDerPfeffer (dawoderpfeffer@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:49 JST DaWoDerPfeffer
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  One generation is about 25 years and the people then didn't live very much longer than that, especially when "Carpenter".
  Also Classism was an extremely big thing … carpenters weren't mentioned much in any records at all and so wasn't the supposed "Jesus" during his supposed lifetime.
  BUT … AFTER people had religious reasons to "remember" shit that didn't happen … they "started to remember" a generation or two AFTER the supposed facts.
  
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  DaWoDerPfeffer (dawoderpfeffer@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:50 JST DaWoDerPfeffer
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  So what do you believe this list is showing?
  Or let me ask in a different way, how would these Roman consuls who ether lived a hundred+ years before the supposed "Jesus" or long after the death of the supposed "Jesus" help regarding the issue at hand?
  
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  Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:50 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II
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  Jesus was allegedly a carpenter. Think about that.
  But also, look at that list more closely. It does indeed list dates in the 3rd and 4th decades of the 1st century C.E. You shot a little wide of the mark.
  
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  Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:51 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II
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  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undated_Roman_consuls
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    List of undated Roman consuls
    
    This is a list of Roman consuls, individuals who were either elected or nominated to the highest elected political office of the Roman Republic, or a high office of the Empire, but for whom an exact date of when they served in office is absent. Most are reckoned to be suffect consuls, but occasionally it encompasses an ordinary consul. 3rd century BC 1st century AD 2nd century 3rd century 4th century Footnotes References Sources Alföldy, Géza Konsulat und Senatorenstand unter der Antoninen Bonn: Rudolf Habelt Verlag (1977) Jones, A. H. M.; Martindale, J. R.; Morris, J. The Prosopography of the later Roman Empire, Vol. I, AD 260-395 (1971) Leunissen, Paul M. M. Konsuln und Konsulare in der Zeit von Commodus...
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  Joe Quinlan 🇵🇸 🇮🇪 (joequinlan@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:52 JST Joe Quinlan 🇵🇸 🇮🇪
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  I'm an atheist and a student of ancient history. I think it's safe to say that there was a historical Jesus Christ. The Roman historian Tacitus writes that followers of a certain Chrestos, who had been crucified in Palestine, had caused disturbances at Rome in Nero's time. Christ was one of numerous "messiahs" who arose in the first century. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus describes several of them. Funny cartoon, though.
  
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  DaWoDerPfeffer (dawoderpfeffer@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2023 22:41:52 JST DaWoDerPfeffer
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  Your "Roman historian Tacitus" was born more than two generations AFTER the death of the supposed "Jesus" and could only have written things that were already tainted by belief and wishful thinking of believers!
  Also your "Jewish historian Flavius Josephus" was born one and a half generations AFTER the death of the supposed "Jesus" and could only have written things that were already tainted by belief and wishful thinking of believers!
  Why don't you use actual history?
  
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  Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 03:14:30 JST Church of Jeff
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  @DaWoDerPfeffer @Jeramee @Threadbane @lednabwm @steven @Robert_R_Freitag_II @JoeQuinlan — here, you use the alt-text inappropriately to ADD content that isn’t part of the image in any way. You’re using the alt-text for editorializing and not as a tool for the sight impaired.
  
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  DaWoDerPfeffer (dawoderpfeffer@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 03:14:32 JST DaWoDerPfeffer
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  Religious paintings and images that are lifting people into heaven, you'll find about Obama as well. Then there are the Images that lift Obama way above MLK and MX and that although Obama was undoubtedly the Leader of White Supremacy for 8 years!
  A disgusting attempt of taking the achievements for Blacks from MLK and MX and putting them onto the NobelPeacePrice bombing BIPoC
  
  My guess is that's a thing in the USofAssholes
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