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   elle (ellegray@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 10:49:34 JST elle

   but what a night it must have been

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 10:49:33 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     @ElleGray The thing that always confuses the tar out of me is the chloroform. Usually that's for inhalation.

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     Ed Peters (liberaled@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 14:19:57 JST Ed Peters

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     @roadriverrail @ElleGray

     Agreed. Maybe they were going for a mix of quick acting short duration, and slow acting long lasting effects. Chloroform would probably be the quickest and shortest acting. Then alcohol. When those wore off the cannabis and morphine would have kicked in.

     To me, it's inconsistent that they outlawed effective but addicting sleep aids but still allow ineffective homeopathic ones. I think they should allow both or neither.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 14:19:57 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     @LiberalEd @ElleGray I'm really not familiar with the effects of oral chloroform. Does it work like inhaled?

     Funny you mention the law. A little reading on One Night suggests it was practically the poster child for everything wrong with parent medicine.

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     Ed Peters (liberaled@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 14:35:58 JST Ed Peters

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     @roadriverrail @ElleGray

     Let me just add that every time I inhaled chloroform to the point of unconsciousness, I regained it quickly, like less than a minute. A drug that takes a while to work and doesn't last long doesn't seem like a good fit for a sleep aid.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 14:35:58 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     @LiberalEd @ElleGray Yeah, I think part of my confusion here is a little reading suggests it produces nausea when taken orally. I guess it might have similar effects beyond that, with a slightly slower uptake than inhaled.

     The oral morphine would probably help with a cough though.

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     Ed Peters (liberaled@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 14:35:59 JST Ed Peters

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     @roadriverrail @ElleGray

     About chloroform, I don't know. I assume that taken orally it is absorbed quickly though the stomach, like alcohol. But I'm also assuming that since it is more volatile than alcohol it is absorbed faster. Also, it doesn't take much chloroform to pass out, compared to alcohol. So I could be wrong.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 00:05:54 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     @LiberalEd @ElleGray Chloroform and ether, inhaled, are pretty famous for their nausea. After doing a little more reading, it looks like chloroform might have actually had some cough suppression effects. One Night was one of many syrups using it, and CNS inhibition is a common old timey way to suppress cough. And it wasn't formally banned until 1975!

     This might be like using strychnine for performance enhancement...little bit will do what you want but the line of overdose is a fine one.

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     Ed Peters (liberaled@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 00:05:55 JST Ed Peters

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     @roadriverrail @ElleGray

     That chloroform would be used as an emetic makes more sense than using it as a quick acting sleep aid. Thanks for the info.

     And you reminded me that when I did several inhalations in a row (oh so long ago), chloroform like ether eventually made me nauseous.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 00:07:44 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     @carbontwelve @ElleGray Wow! Yeah, it was definitely a flavoring agent. I learned a thing!

     In this case, it seems chloroform wasn't highly uncommon in cough medicine and I notice the actual doses are small enough they could be reasonably therapeutic. Assuming "m" is "milligram", the cannabis is barely a threshold dose for a lightweight like me.

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     Mx Autumn :blobcatpumpkin: (carbontwelve@notacult.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 00:07:46 JST Mx Autumn :blobcatpumpkin:

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     @roadriverrail @ElleGray Victory V sweets used to contain it and I believe a cannabis extract as flavourings. You can still get them today and they apparently taste the same according to elderly relatives who had the originals. I’m guessing they’re what this cough syrup would have tasted like.

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     Mx Autumn :blobcatpumpkin: (carbontwelve@notacult.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 00:07:47 JST Mx Autumn :blobcatpumpkin:

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     @roadriverrail @ElleGray I wonder if it’s for taste. It has a flavour, used to be used in sweets.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 00:08:38 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     @BlippyTheWonderSlug @ElleGray I won't ask how you know how much "they struggle". 😅

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     Blippy the Wonder Slug 🇩🇪🇨🇦🇺🇸 (blippythewonderslug@social.cologne)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 00:08:40 JST Blippy the Wonder Slug 🇩🇪🇨🇦🇺🇸

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     @roadriverrail
     😜 One would think so. I blame Hollywood.

     It's not like in the movies: it takes a LONG time, and they struggle a LOT.

     Anyway, oral consumption is/was also a thing, tho little mentioned in literature/movies.

     Chloroform is still widely used today as a solvent, and as a reagent in the production of other materials.
     
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