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   Exec. Goofy (execgoofy@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 00:18:12 JST Exec. Goofy

   #fediblock ubiqueros.com, admin engaged in deliberate misgendering

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 00:18:24 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     @ExecGoofy it's so frustrating how he can just accuse people of being racist and like 50% of white people will just immediately side with him out of some misplaced sense of guilt and responsibility instead of actually analyzing the situation and figuring out whether what he is saying is right or not.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 00:22:53 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     @ExecGoofy like the tech.lgbt people did a very in-depth review to try to figure out if there was any racism or lies going on and there just wasn't, objectively speaking. Because as it turns out, criticizing a black man it's not the same as intentionally drumming up a racist harassment campaign towards him, no matter how often Ro repeats that to try to gaslight us, even if criticizing him can cause racists to take the opportunity to be racist and harass him in side channels, because guess what — racists will use *any and every* opportunity to harass black people.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 00:34:08 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     Which is also why comparing tech.lgbt to kiwifarms is so awful: Ro's argument seems to be that tech.lgbt's criticism of him catalyzed an unrelated contingent of virulent racists to direct racist harassment at him in side channels, and the DDoS of him might have knocked him off the platform, therefore tech.lgbt is the same as kiwifarms. The problem is that while kiwifarms actively directs and encourages and intentionally drums up and keeps scoreboards for and aids and abets transphobic harassment, as an intentional thing that they as a community are doing themselves and are actively supporting and encouraging, tech.lgbt just criticized a black person with no knowledge that he was black at the time and unrelated racists, without their support or encouragement or desire or intention, even stochastically(!!!), used it as an excuse to harass him because guess what, racists will use any and every excuse possible to cover their harassment. So like, it isn't the same thing at all. Tech.lgbt definitely doesn't have a high score kill count for black people the way kiwifarms does for trans people, which also indicates another important and very significant with difference which is that the end goal of kiwifarms is to kill people and they use stalking and tracking and actually bring weapons and bombs in person at people to do it whereas the worst thing that the harassment directed at Ro might have achieved, according to him, is getting him to leave the platform.

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     asbestos (asbestos@toot.community)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 00:38:49 JST asbestos

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     • novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

     @ExecGoofy

     @anarchopunk_girl

     I wish I could see the whole conversation. Because it doesn't seem unreasonable to use "he" for David. Also ro has his pronouns in his bio. Let's make sure we pick out battles wisely.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 00:38:49 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     @asbestos @ExecGoofy I mean, he's said enough other transphobic things that I'm not inclined to hugely give them the benefit of the doubt. Pronouns in bio doesn't preclude transphobia

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 01:10:41 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Andrea, Transbian Casanova :neurodiversity: :transgender_symbol:

     @Andrea @ExecGoofy

     There's a reason I'm so frustrated by the people who ddosed his servers and who are using this to direct racist harassment and other bullshit at him, it just further poisons the discourse and makes any kind of resolution more and more impossible. And it also honestly should be upsetting for anyone who cares the least bit about injustice to see him get that kind of stuff because nobody deserves racist harassment for any reason whatever.

     The problem is that this keeps going because, for whatever he might have been initially right about, he's just continue to double down and double down and double down on transphobia and race reductionism and lashing out at everyone who criticizes him because his massive ego won't let him do anything else. That's become the problem at this point, because he's the catalyst for mastodon.art and their whole contingent doing what they do, because their whole thing is just kind of unquestioningly backing him up.

     That's also why his claims that the idea that he has influence over the TBS block list is a lie are so nonsensical — he's literally friends with the head of one of the servers that TBS uses as a source (welsh pixie), and they unquestioningly block anything he puts on fediblock, meaning anything he wants blocked pretty much automatically has 50% of the votes it needs to be blocked. And guess what? At least one of the other servers used as a source for TBS is part of a moderator group with a private Discord and everything with mastodon.art where they coordinate moderation decisions!

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     Andrea, Transbian Casanova :neurodiversity: :transgender_symbol: (andrea@furry.engineer)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 01:10:42 JST Andrea, Transbian Casanova :neurodiversity: :transgender_symbol:

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     • novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

     @anarchopunk_girl @ExecGoofy To be fair, that goes both ways: I held myself from immediately jumping into parroting the TechDot fervor because I hadn't been following what happened before it exploded. And I wanted to try and figure out what both sides had to say. Because by all means, all *I* saw was "he's transphobic he's transphobic MastoArt is being transphobic", and the claim that Ro was arguing the same of TechDot but race.

     I'm still not confident I have the full picture but now I reasonably think "He had a point about TechDot Admins, BUT he also messed up with the blocklist, and overreacted; MastoArt admins are wholly in the wrong and this fallout is just hurting every, only the deliberate bigots are winning"

     There's a lot of buried landmines because of the history of minorities, especially AfroAmericans (and outside of this case, Indigenous), being sidelined and blamed for everything. So that's something that does have to be considered as to why and what.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 02:04:48 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     @dameoutlaw the initial criticism was of TBS. People are only criticizing him a lot now because how he responded to that.

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     Damon (dameoutlaw@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 02:04:49 JST Damon

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     @anarchopunk_girl He’s been under attack for a long time and this is nothing new. It’s why his PlayViscious instance shut down. Was the criticism constructed towards TBS? Cause if not then you make a terrible point. It’s one thing to take issue with a tool it’s a different beast to verbally attack someone. If people get banned for their poor behaviour that’s on them

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 03:10:21 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Andrea, Transbian Casanova :neurodiversity: :transgender_symbol:

     @Andrea @ExecGoofy that's what I've been saying!!! I don't think the fundamental approach of TBS is one that I'd want widely adopted but like, I'm happy it exists as part of a panoply of different people trying to create different solutions and I genuinely hope that at some point there can be some kind of reconciliation here and maybe he can pick a better set of authoritative instances or something

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     Andrea, Transbian Casanova :neurodiversity: :transgender_symbol: (andrea@furry.engineer)'s status on Thursday, 19-Oct-2023 03:10:22 JST Andrea, Transbian Casanova :neurodiversity: :transgender_symbol:

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     • novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

     @anarchopunk_girl @ExecGoofy Yeah. Honestly, if not for this whole fiasco, from what I can read of his profile before/aside it. I probably would have liked the guy, he seems pretty strong willed and has a good idea on oooooother political matters....but as you said, seems he's in his own way here on this one.

     Hopefully in the future he'll turn it around, preferably sooner than later.