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   narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:30:20 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
   
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:31:00 JST 翠星石

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     @hj Why are you on discord?
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     @Suiseiseki not by choice
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:34:48 JST 翠星石

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     @hj It is certainly by choice.
     
     You think I use discord?
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:37:18 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @Suiseiseki do you think I USE discord?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:39:40 JST 翠星石

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     @hj I don't know, but generally you wouldn't see that page unless you visit discord.com, which makes you a discord user.
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:44:35 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @Suiseiseki retarded logic
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 21:49:57 JST 翠星石

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     @hj I don't get how my logic is held back.
     
     You wrote "not by choice" into my question that contained an assumption, thus confirming the assumption.
     
     As far as I can tell, that page is only visible of you use discord and run discord's proprietary JavaScript.
     
     You then contradicted yourself, thus I noted that I didn't now know.
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     @Suiseiseki first of all, you don't need javascript to see the aforementioned error page. Second of all, by "not by choice" I really mean that I didn't choose to ""be on discord"", for all intents and purposes i'm not ""on discord"", you won't find me there, and if you find someone who seems or claims to be me - it's an impostor. I do "use" discord, but it's more like "forced to use" because certain people just refuse to anything else. Third of all, if you want to kill discord and other proprietary centralized network shit, it's way better to do it from within, you don't preach in a church, you preach on streets, even if you hate streets.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 29-Sep-2023 22:15:16 JST 翠星石

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     @hj >you don't need javascript to see the aforementioned error page
     You're right, now that I think about it, but proprietary JavaScript is going to be run if it's enabled nevertheless.
     
     >for all intents and purposes i'm not ""on discord"", you won't find me there, and if you find someone who seems or claims to be me - it's an impostor.
     >I do "use" discord, but it's more like "forced to use" because certain people just refuse to anything else.
     Why are you contradicting yourself?
     
     >if you want to kill discord and other proprietary centralized network shit, it's way better to do it from within, you don't preach in a church, you preach on streets, even if you hate streets.
     It is not possible to kill a proprietary network service/software combination by using it, as you're only making it more cemented, as you increase the network effect.
     
     A more accurate simile would be that the only way to eliminate a certain kind of proprietary street would be to preach against it in a church, rather than walking along the proprietary street and thus not practicing as you preach.
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     @Suiseiseki >Why are you contradicting yourself?
     
     ok, let's put it this way, being on "a phone network" and "using a phone network" are two different things - you're on the network if you have stable phone subscription and a phone number, but you can still use phone network without being on it by using a payphone or buying a prepaid single-use sim. Discord is all the same - you can make yourself a profile, use it as your primary mean of communication, share it with friends etc. OR you can make an account "niggerfaggot12345" just to connect to a server to say something to someone.
     
     >It is not possible to kill a proprietary network service/software combination by using it, as you're only making it more cemented, as you increase the network effect.
     
     Yes you can, and you can make it worse, if you shit in a room everyone else wants to leave it, but you need to enter the room first to shit in it.
     
     >A more accurate simile would be that the only way to eliminate a certain kind of proprietary street would be to preach against it in a church, rather than walking along the proprietary street and thus not practicing as you preach.
     
     If you preach against it in a church you're just repeating yourself to the people who are already agree with you, a literal echo chamber, you need bigger reach.
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     SilSinn9801／SilSinn9821 (silsinn9801@pawoo.net)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 18:39:08 JST SilSinn9801／SilSinn9821

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     @hj
     OK, then what is your username there? (in my DMs if you don’t want to post it in public)? & if you don’t like Discord, then what is your preferred alternative?

     For context: I do still use Discord & it’s what I use the most because the vast majority of my friends either refuse to adopt Matrix or Telegram or instead adopted anything else that I don’t use & don’t plan to use (Guilded, Revolt, XMPP, IRC, etc.)

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     @SilSinn9801 @Suiseiseki i have xmpp, matrix, steam and of course, fediverse (pleroma chats preferably) and email. Once again, discord is out of necessity, and I refuse to share it because i'm not "on it" as I said down the thread, i don't want to strengthen its network effect even further.
     
     fedi, steam, xmpp, email - in that order of preference.
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     SilSinn9801／SilSinn9821 (silsinn9801@pawoo.net)'s status on Sunday, 01-Oct-2023 03:28:44 JST SilSinn9801／SilSinn9821

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     @hj
     > Pleroma chats
     Aren’t they essentially private posts (or what Mastodon calls Direct Messages)?
     > Matrix
     Is your homeserver one of those that federates with Matrix.org (my homeserver) or one that blocklists MOrg?
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     @SilSinn9801 @Suiseiseki > Pleroma chats
     kinda yeah but also with neater UI and UX. I intend on bringing that ui to DMs though.
     
     > Matrix
     no idea, i just set up a dendrite server for myself with like zero configuration so i guess it does federates with morg.