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   Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:37:37 JST Mitch Conner
   This is the way
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:37:36 JST Alex Gleason

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     @olmitch 15-minute city is a great idea. I miss Philadelphia sometimes for that reason. What does it have to do with cameras and state surveillance?
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15-minute_city
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     Marakus (marakus@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:42:56 JST Marakus

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     They want to ban you from going further than 15 minutes from your residence. Monetize every step you make, make sure you buy from provided shops, and 24/7 tracking. Basically modern serfdom.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:42:56 JST Mitch Conner

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     @Marakus @alex thank you for explaining it so well. My blood was rushing to my head
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:48:45 JST Alex Gleason

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     @olmitch @Marakus That's crazy. Well, I had a very different experience. I used to live on 4th St. I would walk 5 minutes here to get a sandwich and work, etc. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Red+Hook+Coffee+and+Tea,+765+S+4th+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19147/@39.9385577,-75.1497355,17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c6c89f38a75a9d:0xf5dc76fff80d27e5!8m2!3d39.9385577!4d-75.1497355!16s%2Fg%2F1v1kqts7
     
     For groceries I'd walk a few more minutes to this local place. I would cart my groceries back to my apartment. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Essene+Market+%26+Caf%C3%A9,+719+S+4th+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19147/@39.9393571,-75.1494153,16z/data=!4m9!1m2!2m1!1sGrocery!3m5!1s0x89c6c89ed75f96d1:0x43e5e28292c2e580!8m2!3d39.9399804!4d-75.1492563!16s%2Fg%2F1tj2pf3m
     
     Then of course for fun I could walk to any shop or bar on South Street. Eg https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tattooed+Mom,+530+South+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19147/@39.9418799,-75.1518343,16z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c6c89e630fc7d1:0x98bb03f77bc875c!8m2!3d39.9418799!4d-75.1518343!16s%2Fg%2F1v8321mn
     
     It was a very different way of life and honestly great. I got to speak with my neighbors and felt like part of a community. I would meet new people all the time. The tradeoff was having a tiny apartment, but I believe the concept of a 15-minute city in general is great.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:50:55 JST Mitch Conner

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     @alex @Marakus walkable cities are not the same thing as "15 min cities" so yeah. One is common sense, one is WEF slavery.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:51:10 JST Alex Gleason

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     @olmitch @Marakus Alright, I understand.
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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:51:32 JST l

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     @olmitch @alex having lived my entire life in cities which definitely classify under 15-minute-cities (or even less), i cannot comprehend why anyone would hate this
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:51:32 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lebronjames75 @olmitch @alex ask why they need to cover entire areas with cameras and sensors to make their "fifteen minute cities"
     
     1. they need to put cameras and microphones and other sensors all over the city to monitor how people and vehicles are moving around
     2. the cameras, microphones and sensors serve dual surveillance purpose
     3. after they can monitor everything they will start restricting movement, like "no cars in these areas on these days to reduce pollution" but serves dual purpose that they can shut down anything down at any time.
     
     the term for this is turnkey tyranny. It is not used for nefarious purposes (debatable, in London they instantly used the cameras to spy on everybody) but it trivially can be repurposed for it.
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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:51:33 JST l

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     @alex @olmitch i would also like to know, mass surveillance has no relation whatsoever to the concept, so why are those words combined in one sentence like they're related?
     how is the best concept in city planning that could ever be devised, related to one of the worst concepts in a surveillance state? it makes no sense to call one with the other and sounds like some automotive/oilbaron lobby degeneracy
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:51:33 JST Mitch Conner

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     @lebronjames75 @alex it horrifies to see so many of you have positive opinions about 15 minute cities. Horrifies. I'll have to post more memes about it, clearly.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:54:54 JST Mitch Conner

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     @alex @Marakus I like living downtown too :) the only place I have to go outside my neighborhood is work, which is in another city. I'm thankful I am not fined for simply traveling further than 15 min from my bed
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     Marakus (marakus@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:55:00 JST Marakus

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     Yeah, its very different. Name is intentionally misleading. Consider it to be "15 min city™ presented by WEF, participation is MANDATORY".
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:55:55 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lebronjames75 @alex @olmitch it may be that in the long term these things are unavoidable or we should focus on making our governments not evil so we can have nice things but this is the reason some people are against them right now.
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     EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:56:13 JST EvilSandmich

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     I think that's what was pointed out when this was first pitched: that something like what they were pitching would happen organically were it not for the assaults on communities by the very same clowns. IOW, it is an attempt to create a forced, artificial version of the very thing they destroyed.
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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:58:29 JST l

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     @Moon @alex @olmitch 1. just doesnt work without total facial recognition which is an absolute human rights violation which is just authoritarianism which is death penalty worthy evilness in my head. just having that data is a crime against humanity
     2. see one
     3. doesnt work again and sounds like 1. applies again
     
     mass surveillance is unarguably evil with near no exception, so i truly dont see how one could ever combine those two things (15 min city + mass surveillance) in good faith, since none of the good faith arguments could ever possibly work
     
     if anyone from any side did that, i'd be incredibly upset, i see
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:58:29 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lebronjames75 @alex @olmitch you can theoretically do this without facial recognition/individual detection. you can monitor simple head counts going in and out of areas. in practice though they want that data because they want to see the paths that individuals are taking so they can understand foot travel flow at a deeper level.
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 14-Sep-2023 23:59:38 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @Moon @lebronjames75 @alex @olmitch it's the return to serfdom, people have enjoyed freedom of movement for too long :l_sure:
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:02:02 JST Sexy Moon

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     @olmitch @alex @lebronjames75 the canon reason is that there was mass eugenic genetic engineering in the 1990s that made the human population better. it also led to another world war because they made superhumans that demanded to rule because they were superior.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:02:03 JST Mitch Conner

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 right. In Star Trek, the technology exists to eliminate privacy but they solved the trust issue somehow. Hopefully we can find an alternative to "The Nuclear Horror" chapter of Star Trek history
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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:02:12 JST l

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     @Moon @alex @olmitch know what's a much simpler, and privacy non invading method for that? Telecommunications phone tracking via amounts-of-connections-to-what-mast
     
     its also simpler, quicker, more effective, and completely privacy OK_hand_emoji
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     MondoBizarrro (mondobizarrro@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:03:05 JST MondoBizarrro

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     @alex @olmitch i love the city where i live in cause its very walkable. Id love them to expand their subway and light rail system tho. Pittsburgh is p nice.
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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:03:09 JST l

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     @Moon @alex @olmitch not doing what i just described is effectively proof of bad faith
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     MondoBizarrro (mondobizarrro@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:04:33 JST MondoBizarrro

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 @olmitch i have nothing against 15 minute or walkable cities i do have problems with the insane surveilance though. Libs love to ban everuthing and watch us for some reason its fucking weird
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:06:21 JST Mitch Conner

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 I forgot I was reading star trek history and this just sounded like a reasonable conspiracy theory
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:06:21 JST Sexy Moon

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     @olmitch @alex @lebronjames75 on the wikis and other sources they don't explicitly say that humans are so great because everybody got genetic engineering but you can tease it out from dialog in various episodes. The writers don't want you to realize they effectively said eugenics are good.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:09:36 JST Sexy Moon

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     @olmitch @alex @lebronjames75 not everybody was made into superhumans and basically everybody got genetic engineered kids before it was globally banned.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:09:37 JST Mitch Conner

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 no, the superhumans were exiled from earth, and then the nuclear horror happened, killing most of the population of earth. What was left were some mad max type NPCs.
     
     The people in this court room are plucked from that era
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnYcpebyDUg
     
     The people at the site of the first warp launch were basically holding burning man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pEZlLqrX20
     
     The people who built starfleet were drunks living in the mud.
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:13:00 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @olmitch wow, actually fucking based
     
     The English, which has been pretty much test subject #1 on this shit, are finally fighting back?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:13:14 JST Sexy Moon

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     @olmitch @alex @lebronjames75 star trek continuity is not consistent on this
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:17:59 JST Sexy Moon

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     @olmitch @alex @lebronjames75 Bashir was born in 2341 and human augmentation was banned in 1996. all humans weren't augments but they used genetic engineering to get rid of disease and criminality.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:18:00 JST Mitch Conner

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 I completely disagree. Julian Bashir was an augment, and he met other augments who were basically in the custody of starfleet for being illegal and showed classical autism symptoms. His parents got him gene spliced on the black market. Augments are an oppressed minority in Star Trek and definitely are not common.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:19:01 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lebronjames75 @alex @Moon @olmitch Funny bit in that is is how cars come with a lot of built-in transmission devices including phones, which various part of the world either made mandatory for new cars or wanted to.
     And speed cameras and other license plate recording devices have existed for decades.
     
     Tracking *everyone* walking/cycling is much harder as no everyone keeps their phone on themselves and thanks to smartphones it's shit that gets discharged frequently.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:20:28 JST Sexy Moon

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     @olmitch @alex @lebronjames75 this is info i teased out from multiple episodes so when you read official sources they don't explain it this way.
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     Mitch Conner (olmitch@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:20:29 JST Mitch Conner

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 oh so there is a canon reason for humans all acting like they are on lithium then
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:30:37 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lebronjames75 @alex @olmitch star trek version is muddy because they don't always make a distinction between eliminating disease (which they periodically still do in the future) and augmentation where they made humans that were super strong and super smart and lived twice as long. augmentation was banned because it led to natural class division between augments and people that refused to get augmentation.
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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:30:38 JST l

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     @Moon @olmitch @alex i support eugenics
     
     abortions for severely genedefected babies, including the option for abortion at birth if the genedefect was not previously detected for whatever reason (harlequin baby for example)
     assisted suicide for the terminally ill
     castration of extreme criminals (serial/mass murderers, large scale fraudsters (large scale to me is >= the monetary value of one adult human being, which i estimate at ~~10million USD ish)
     dont find much trouble in using stuff like DNA-injecting-viral-loads to make babies immune to HIV, though this would obviously have some hilarious future consequences, such as star trek's storyline as youve written
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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 00:30:48 JST l

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     @lanodan @alex @Moon @olmitch dont need to track everyone, 80% of people anonymously tracked will stlil give you roughly the same data as 100% of people tracked.
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     ec670@pawoo.net's status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 17:36:37 JST ec670

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 @olmitch

     What are your thoughts on anti-aging research? Like the billionaire dude who apparently paid for blood transfusions from a teenager or whatever

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     @ec670 @alex @lebronjames75 @olmitch if it works and nobody's being forced to donate blood.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 17:36:47 JST Sexy Moon

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     @ec670 @alex @lebronjames75 @olmitch yeah it's a problem.
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     ec670@pawoo.net's status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 17:36:48 JST ec670

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     @Moon @alex @lebronjames75 @olmitch

     What are your thoughts on self driving cars? Those things have cameras, radar, lasers, GPS tracking... all piped into the cloud

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     l (lebronjames75@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2023 19:07:11 JST l

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     @ec670 @Moon @alex @olmitch there would be no issue if the last sentence was missing. if it was entirely localized and in-car only, i'd say its 100% fine. it doesnt need to use the cloud to function, yet it does. the "collected data being uploaded out of the car into the cloud" function is malicious by default, and cannot not be malicious
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     Calvin (calvin@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 16-Sep-2023 07:24:03 JST Calvin

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     @Mondobizarrro @alex @Moon @lebronjames75 @olmitch
     I think it’s because they have generally “abnormal” inclinations and sensibilities, higher than average sensitivities, and massive trust issues re: everyone outside their accepted community (kind of normal, but it’s coupled with agenda driven ambition to make their world view and way of life the default one).
     Things need to be banned because it threatens the stability of the whole (“big things have s beginnings” and all that) and people need to be monitored because they cannot be trusted to do the Right Thing™ on their own.

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     mdn (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 20:59:02 JST mdn

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     TOTAL BIG BROTHER DEATH ! :gnujihad:
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     D00B ? :blobcatghostbuster: (d00b@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 20:59:04 JST D00B ? :blobcatghostbuster:

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     @olmitch yes
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 11:56:04 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     The post WWII European puppet regimes and the civil rights movement gave politicians the idea that they could rule by propoganda plus force of law, but the truth is that law must conform to the preexisting activity of the people. When law diverges from the natural inclinations of the people, instability ensues.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 12:06:03 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     It eventually breaks when the gap is large enough — political idealism eventually diverges from nature (notice I said "natural inclinations") and the system breaks down.
     
     As one of my political philosophy professors once said, the beauty of a democratic republic is that a majority can vote that the moon is made of cheese and it is so. (He was being sarcastic obviously).
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     :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Sep-2023 12:06:04 JST :spinnenrad: Eiregoat :spinnenrad:

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     to a degree. They've almost completely eradicated smoking here, and the use of fireplaces just through laws. Social engineering does work provided it's done slowly enough and people think they can go back if they need to.