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why? (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:10:44 JST 
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:10:41 JST 
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@why Open world was clearly a wide eyed dream, perhaps once upon a time when you could actually somewhat stand doing nothing in particular in a game
But now it's mostly a bad pacing meme where you'll end up doing nothing for most of it, and randomly generated static caves like in oblivion where there's absolutely no reasons to visit any of them as they have nothing of worth in them
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why? (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:10:42 JST
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when the open world craze was at its peak (and i was young and dumb) i really wanted a game where you could have multiple planets to visit. mass effect mako was blue balls, i wanted the WHOLE planet and also ALL the planets.
if ~14 year old me saw this he would tism rage and seethe. i still think its dumb but im gonna cope. no mans sky has whole planet exploration but fails to have effective gameplay that really requires the setting. outer wilds does planets perfectly, but at 1/5000th scale and only one solar system. filling 1000 planets with meaningful POIs on the whole surface is not only impossible but would end up outright unplayable if you were compelled to visit all of it. its a korok seed dilemma: there needs to be enough for the player to find them frequently, but some players want to find them all and end up resenting the game. some already hate starfield for boasting the size of the game, and those same people hate the game for not letting you circumnavigate the entire empty planet. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:36:46 JST
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@why oof
OOOOF
That sounds exceedingly bad TBQH
"BRO YOU HAVE TO PLAY 60 HOURS OF MONSTER HUNTER BEFORE IT GETS GOOD" but this time I really believe none of it -
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why? (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:36:49 JST
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@coolboymew yeah pacing in open world sucks. im sure the scaling in starfield will be extremely wack, bethesda has always struggled with that. these reports of "it really picks up 100 hours in" make me curious they could have some new hidden solution to this, but im gonna remain skeptical lol -
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AngryWraith (angrywraith@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:38:11 JST 
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@coolboymew @why 🍶 cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:41:04 JST 
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@AngryWraith @coolboymew @why trust me bro, the game gets better after you spend enough time dulling oyur mind until it's the consistancy of paste. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:43:39 JST
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@givenup @AngryWraith @why Just think about it, 130 fucking hours
In 105 hours I finished Dragon Quest 7 on PS1. A game people COMPLAINS about
In 130 hours I 100% Dragon Quest 11 S on Hard and beat the final, final, final, final, final boss
In 130 hours I nearly did all the quests in Xenoblade 3
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why? (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:43:43 JST
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@coolboymew yeah it sounds awful i cant wait to put 200 hours into the game cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:43:48 JST
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@AngryWraith @coolboymew @why tbh most paradox games take around 200 frustrating hours of figuring shit out till it actually becomes fun it's wild. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:45:07 JST
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@coolboymew @AngryWraith @why i agree it's dumb an rpg should be fun to play out hte gate, or at least give you an idea that things might get fun if oyu lvl up a little bit and get some ksills or something cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:55:27 JST 
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@coolboymew @AngryWraith @givenup @why I mean, this shouldn't even need to be said. I've never played an actually good game that took even 20 hours to "finally get good". Some people claim that about Xenoblade 2, but they're just full of shit, that had me hooked by the end of Chapter 1, it just means they hate anime and only started to understand the combat system at the 20 hour mark. I'd say Tales of Vesperia has a significantly worse opening, but that doesn't make it a "takes 20 hours to get good" game either.
130 hours is absurd, at that point it's straight up the gaming equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:55:37 JST
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@ChristiJunior @coolboymew @AngryWraith @why i agree a game hooks you fast or you put it down, so the game must be dogshit if they're trying to say "it gets better after oyu beat it" lol cool_boy_mew likes this.cool_boy_mew repeated this. -
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ArdainianRight (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:57:54 JST 
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@givenup @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why At a minimum it has to be good throughout the game while being great postgame. I'm not a fan of frontloading everything for game journos and ADHD streamers who'll never finish it, but the game has to be good enough to keep you engaged throughout. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:58:03 JST
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@givenup @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why Good games, even those that genuinely start slow, will show clear signs of quality, and provide a sense that they're building up to something more exciting.
If I'm to take the "130 hours to get good" claim seriously, you're not so much experiencing a buildup as watching the paint dry.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:58:08 JST
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@ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why yea a consistently enjoyable experience would be nice, but that's asking a lot from the shits we got making games these days. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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ArdainianRight (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:02:09 JST
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@givenup @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why There's plenty of good classic games that are easy to emulate. No reason to settle for dogshit. cool_boy_mew likes this.cool_boy_mew repeated this. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:02:16 JST
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@ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why even people who say this kinda stuff abotu JRPGS or rpgs, it's because the gameplay is not good, But the story hooks them at some point. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:02:16 JST
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@ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why i think when i was a kid, video games were a novel experience, cuz they were really new, and like even a bad game it's like "woah i've never been able to play something like this before" that time is long gone however. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:03:05 JST
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@ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why sure, i also got a large backlog of ps1 jrpgs i never played or just didn't finish, but i'm not sure i'm dying to go back and do it tbh, at this point in my life i tend to just stick to stuff i've been playing and enjoy and alternate as i burn out. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:03:42 JST
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@ArdainianRight @givenup @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why Ocarina of Time is my model for a perfectly paced game - it manages to keep things interesting from the start with creative dungeon design, a comfy setting and a wonderful sense of adventure while gradually rolling out more and more interesting ideas, items and puzzles. Then it hits you with a major game-changing twist that makes everything way better and more interesting, keeps building and building until the amazing Spirit Temple, then gives you a final pseudo-dungeon that forces you to make use of all the skills and knowledge you learned throughout the game, followed by a truly epic final boss.
It's good from the beginning, but keeps building and getting better from start to finish. Majora's Mask also saves its best temple for last - something I don't think applies to any of the other 3D Zeldas.cool_boy_mew and ロミンちゃん like this. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:04:04 JST
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@ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight @AngryWraith @givenup @why god, I can't wait for MM's decomp to finish. They're close ロミンちゃん likes this. -
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Psychotic Militant Bitch (silverwolf@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:04:50 JST 
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"It gets better after you beat it" would be fine if the game was fun and engaging from the get go. People 100% games for a reason, usually because they like them. Replayability, multiplayer, freedom to explore and fuck around, all those are great things for a game to have that makes it better after you beat it.
But for it to only be fun AFTER the fact is retarded.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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Edge (edge@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:05:13 JST 
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@ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @givenup @coolboymew @why
I can understand, and at times forgive, when a game takes a while to open up the mechanics to the player or just starts with too many cut-scenes or too much dialogue. There are good games that fall victim to this.
Legitimately what the fuck is going on that would need 130 HOURS to establish? What could possibly require that much set up?cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:06:02 JST
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@givenup @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @why
You really should
https://www.shipofharkinian.com -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:06:03 JST
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@ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why i've never actually played OOT for more tahn an hour or two, i grew up playing Link to the past on snes tho i love that one, i didn't have a n64 i ended up going with playstation back then. -
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Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:06:25 JST
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@Edge @AngryWraith @givenup @coolboymew @why >Legitimately what the fuck is going on that would need 130 HOURS to establish? What could possibly require that much set up?
Gaming Stockholm Syndrome - I've spent so much fucking time on this game I was super hyped for, that means it HAS to be good and that I'm enjoying it!cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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ArdainianRight (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:06:31 JST
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@ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @givenup @why
I wouldn't say it's totally perfectly paced, but Xenoblade 1 is an example of a massive JRPG that manages to hook you quickly while still saving plenty of twists.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:07:19 JST
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@ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @givenup @why I can't fucking believe that you still unlocked new features that long into the game. The strong attack foresight thing absolutely blew my mind -
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xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:07:57 JST 
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@ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @givenup @coolboymew @why There are also plenty of good games made by smaller devs like me.
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AngryWraith (angrywraith@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:11:56 JST
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@givenup @coolboymew @why I have a mental illness. Every once in a while I play modernized versions of the old Wizardry games. I'm not nip, but sure as hell I'm a japanese salaryman in some games. *suicide off roof soon* cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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Mauris02 (mauris02@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:25:02 JST 
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@coolboymew @why Open world only works in conjunction with mechanics specifically made for it. Breathe of the wild, red dead 2(in a more limited extend) or minecraft and such games with procedural elements are good examples of that. Otherwise it just becomes meaningless bloat. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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Calvin (calvin@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 14:01:24 JST 
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@ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @givenup @coolboymew @why Your description of an ideal game sounds like NieR:Automata, same with the description of the game journos (“there was something after the credits?”).
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 18:02:49 JST 
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@coolboymew @givenup @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @why
No, I don't think I will.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
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Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 00:02:10 JST 
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@romin @coolboymew @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @givenup @why I had a bookmark to a website that auto-generated github CI downloads for users that don't have accounts. In so doing, you could download e.g. a daily SoH appimage without having to log into github or join a shitcord server. I no longer have the bookmark and I don't know where it went. I'm sorry. cool_boy_mew and ロミンちゃん like this. -
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 00:11:40 JST
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@idiot @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @coolboymew @givenup @why
appimage sigh…
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 01:16:05 JST
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@idiot @romin @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @givenup @why the appimage is great, you run it and it works and that's it -
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Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 01:16:06 JST
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@romin @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @coolboymew @givenup @why It's not a particularly pleasant application to build. Maybe I just got unlucky. -
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 01:49:21 JST
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@idiot @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @coolboymew @givenup @why I don't want to start a rant about appimages, windows brainworms, or dynamic linking and its consequences. I'll just say:
>executing binaries downloaded from the internet
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