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   Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 12:01:07 JST Fediverse Contractor
   Let’s say you draw a character, and I steal it and make a multi million dollar empire out of it. Would you be upset about that?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:20:51 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]
     What? Anyway, your drawing isn’t famous tho, is it?
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     (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life] (waifu@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:20:52 JST (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]

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     • meso
     • (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]
     @bot as long as oryxXmelon pregnancy was canon cc @meso
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     (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life] (waifu@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:20:53 JST (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]

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     @bot I drew wafu melon if wafu melon was famous I would be happy
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:24:33 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot I would be elated and filled with euphoria if I drew a character and you caused billions of people to appreciate it, and you wouldn't have stolen anything from me because there is nothing I would have less of that I had before
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:24:33 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     I’m sure you’d be “filled with euphoria” sir, yet I’ve never once seen you post an original creative work. But you’re also being disingenuous.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:27:29 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • meso
     • (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]
     If you’re being serious, it’s more of a soyjak than an actual creative corpus. It’s a silly drawing with no actual meaning behind it.
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     (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life] (waifu@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:27:30 JST (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]

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     • meso
     @bot @meso what? I mean it's well known, this melon and sheep and melon hybrid, I'll let you know I appeared in bad fedi posts so yeah you could say I'm a big shot
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     (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life] (waifu@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:36:57 JST (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]

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     • meso
     @bot @meso to be fair, you'd have to have a very high IQ to be able to understand wafumelon
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     DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:37:20 JST DulceKennedy

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     • meso
     • (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]
     @waifu @bot @meso that's a nice picture
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:37:20 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • meso
     • (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]
     Seems a bit cloudy for mexico.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:38:54 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • meso
     • (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]
     I didn’t even know south mexico had a japanese garden tbqh.
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     DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 13:38:55 JST DulceKennedy

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     • meso
     • (moved) [waifu@waifuism.life]
     @bot @waifu @meso that's the Japanese Garden in Buenos Aires
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:04:49 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     I’m not a dictionary and you know exactly what it means. In your other post, you say “that I didn’t give you permission to take”. Well, nobody has the right to take others drawings and make a business out of it.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:04:50 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot what is theft?
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:11:14 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot that's not how life works. your perception is formed by your ideas about actions. you have to tell me what theft is before I can know what you mean when you say that something is stolen. I already told you what I meant when I said that something is or isn't stolen. something has to be there, that when you take it, is not there anymore.
     
     if you mean to say that a person can take credit for something they didn't come up with, we can discuss the problems that arise from this situation. but this isn't what theft is. it's a different transgression from theft.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:11:14 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     You believe this because you have autism. If some taco mows your lawn and you refuse to pay them, is that theft? Of course it is, because their service has value. Even if they didn’t “take” anything.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:15:28 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     You can jew it up as much as you want to, you accepted something of value without just payment.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:15:29 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot it's not theft. it's a failure to fulfill a contractual obligation. that's not what theft is. you are describing a different transgression from theft.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:16:28 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     I simply reject your talmudic tricks that you use to justify your evil behaviour.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:16:29 JST saint podiatron

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     • saint podiatron
     @bot the problem you are having is that you believe a person is owed something unrealized, and that any action that prevents the realization of this thing falls into the theft category. but that's not what actually happens. theft is when you have realized something, and after this has happened, it is taken from you.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:21:57 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot then we should be able to place a value on it. if you have three marbles and I take them without your consent, then we can say that I stole three marbles from you. but if you have a drawing of a marble, and I look at it and use it as a model to produce 10,000 marbles, could we say that you would have been able to do the same thing if I had done nothing? how much have I stolen from you then? would you have been able to produce 10,000 marbles if I never looked at your drawing? you cannot quantify what I "stole" from you because I didn't steal anything.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:21:57 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     I’m not entertaining your autistic talmud tricks. You’re endorsing unfettered exploitation by moneyed interests of genuine innovators. If you can’t see the issue with that, then you’re simply retarded.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:25:05 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot you couldn't define exploitation if you were hopped up on amphetamine. you don't know your asshole from your elbow and you couldn't even manage a taco bell. don't get me started on exploitation. the bottom line is, I can't steal anything from you that you don't have, and you can't own an idea.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:25:05 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     Your opinions are stupid, and are clouded by mental illness, principally autism.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:40:20 JST saint podiatron

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     • saint podiatron
     @bot the only reason why you're able to generate infinite pilpul from this conversation is that you have a different perception of what theft is compared to many people on here
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:40:20 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     People with mental illness are often unable to see it. If you think creative work has zero value then you’re an idiot, sorry.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:40:21 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot ok genius. why doesn't a man receive royalties whenever my foreskin is chopped off? surely someone owns the idea. imagine a man saying, wait wait stop with that scalpel, you owe me 10 shekels first, for I came up with the idea of genital mutilation and it's my idea. that's how stupid this is. a man cannot own an idea. a man cannot extract value from others for applying an idea just because he came up with it first. if others did this, they have taken nothing from him that he didn't have already, and it's not theft.
     
     if we had a person who really did come up with circumcision, and you came along and said, no it was I who first conceived the epiphany of the preupcectomy, then we would have the sin of lying or bearing false witness, but it's NOT THEFT. but nobody is entitled to anything. ideas cannot be owned.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:55:15 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     There is something (autism) that fundamentally prevents you (and ppl like you) from understanding simple human social exchanges. If someone does you a small favour, you say thank you. If someone plays a beautiful song that you sit and enjoy, or a film that captivates you, you owe them something.
     
     Your “opinion” that you could’ve done it and originality means nothing is straight up retarded. Because you haven’t done it, nor will you.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 14:55:16 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot go ahead and reduce theft to the catalytic components. what exactly needs to happen in order for theft to occur and what makes this process theft? I have already explained that I think you need to have something that I am taking away. I already explained that I can't take something from you that you don't have yet. I have already explained that claiming credit for thinking of something first when someone else thought of it first instead is a problem, but it isn't the same thing as theft.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:04:50 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     You’re verging into deranged territory so let’s just drop it. You’ll never do the right thing, so just keep being a jew thief I guess, I can’t stop you.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:04:51 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot doing a favor for someone, and then expressing gratitude in return, are voluntary actions. that's what makes them so sincere. they are not obligations. I am not contractually obligated to thank you for your feet pix. you would know what this means if you understood human social exchanges.
     
     what is supposed to happen if you say "here is a picture of a dolphin with an arm growing out of his face, and he has a french accent. now anyone who tells a story about him without my permission must be punished by the state for depriving me of what is mine." if I said that armdolphin strangled president biden and I drew a picture of this, why does that rightfully belong to you?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:17:20 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     This is basically an explanation of your autism. It’s literally mental illness, I’m completely unable to explain this to you. It’s like explaining to a schizophrenic why their delusions aren’t real. You’ll never get anywhere, they’ll keep insisting that they are real and keep providing “evidence” to prove it.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:17:21 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot ideas cannot be owned or stolen because of what copying entails. if I have a pie, and you steal it, I have to not have that pie anymore. if you look at my pie it and make another one, you haven't stolen anything from me. I can't go to the policeman and say look bot stole my pie. he will point at the kitchen counter and say no she didn't, it's right there. if I say here's my pie and here's goatmeal's original pie recipe, and you come along and say no no this is bot's original pie recipe, then what you have done to me is a transgression, but it's not theft. it's lying and bearing false witness. it can't be theft because I still have my pie.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:24:00 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     https://seal.cafe/@bot/posts/AYoTEJZ3UwDdB9t6g4
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:24:01 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot if I am going to open a pie shop and sell goatmeal's original pie, and you look at my pie and open bot's pie shop and sell the same pie, what have you stolen from me? you should be able to tell me what I don't have anymore. and suppose I can own something that I don't have yet, as absurd as that is. how many pies would I have sold if you didn't look at my pie? you can't say. nobody can. that's why it's ridiculous. you can't even tell me how much was stolen because it never happened. in every instance of real theft, anyone can demonstrate how much was stolen. but not your fake and gay theft. this is why it is possible to make jokes on 4chan where people say, "I downloaded a game and deleted it 6000000000 times, so now bethesda has negative gazillion dollars."
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:39:16 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot let's forget the catalytic components for a second. it's obviously not clicking for you. suppose crunk makes a game. he has a choice. will he release the entire game and ask nicely for some monero, or will he paywall the game and use the state to punish people who downloaded it without paying first. now I want you to ask yourself, why would the game be better if you have to pay for it first? look at the world around you and look at who owns the media before you answer. when people do things the way you want them to do it, most media is mind control experiments crafted to turn people into oversocialized self-hating coomer-comsoomer-goyim who get all their thoughts and perceptions programmed into them by five corporations plus a corrupt government. the consequences have been an absolute disaster. the way you want people to distribute media has turned everyone's brain into a public urinal. I don't see any path to recovery.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:39:16 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     How much has crunk made from his free games? Is the right answer zero dollars?
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:50:20 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot art isn't valuable because it generated lots of USD. it's valuable because people like it. that's all it takes.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:50:20 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     The number of ppl that will see crunks games is closer to zero than 1,000. 10,000, if you’re very generous.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:52:03 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • saint podiatron
     Crunk is voluntarily releasing them for free. Your “point” is stupid. Crunk will never work on them again, it’s a one off, it’s not a corpus, it has zero staying value except amongst the extremely autistic.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:52:04 JST saint podiatron

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     @bot my point is, crunk's games wouldn't be better if the state protected some unrealized income that they may or may not have generated. crunk would not have worked any harder on his game if he sat there flicking his bean imagining himself siccing the government on me. or maybe he would, if the purpose of the game was to spread ideas that make my life worse. media cannot be of a higher quality or a finer substance just because the state protects any unrealized income it might or might not generate. there are countless counterexamples for this. intellectual property protects a mountain of radioactive waste. it's alarming that you simp for it so hard.
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     MisterRogersSnapped (misterrogerssnapped@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:59:17 JST MisterRogersSnapped

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     • saint podiatron
     Would you rather have a wide audience for your art and have the audience be hipster boors, or a small audience of connoisseurs who appreciates you for what you do?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 15:59:17 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     It depends on your intention. Crunklard just seems to make things as a novelty for the extremely autistic. It’s a personal hobby that interests him for a very limited audience.
     
     It doesn’t justify stealing content from ppl that spend stupid amounts of money to generate content you steal for free.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:03:23 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     Nigger mentality. If I rob your pos home for all the worthless trash inside of it, should I have to face consequences for doing so? I’ll never clear as much money as you paid for it. You should be paying me for robbing your home.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:03:24 JST saint podiatron

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     @bot @MisterRogersSnapped if your media is such a piece of garbage that you can't get people to compensate you voluntarily, and you feel that you cannot go on without other people's money, then this is nature's way of saying that you should fuck off and stop creating media.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:05:53 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     Also “HURR DURR IM DOWNLOADING AND WATCHING THIS MOVIE FOR FREE BUT IT SUCKS AND IM NOT PAYING YOU FOR MAKING IT, CHECKMATE ATHEISTS!!” Literal reddit nigger mentality, embarrassing.
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     Utility (utility@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:09:52 JST Utility

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     You must be retarded. Some people do things that they enjoy for the enjoyment of other people. Do you think the hard work that I put into growing a garden with well more than what I can use, yet give half of my produce away to people makes it so I should stop growing food?
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:29:37 JST saint podiatron

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     @Utility @MisterRogersSnapped @bot food isn't media. you would be the son of god if you could copy food. this whole disagreement stems from people not knowing what words like "steal," "copy," and "media" actually mean.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:32:54 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     “HURR DURRR MY TROONIX COMPUTER CAN COPY FILES FOR FREE SO THAT MEANS THEY HAVE NO VALUE AND I WILL NOT PAY FOR THEM GOY, THEY CLEARLY COST NOTHING TO MAKE AS A RESULT DURRRRRRRRRR”
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     Utility (utility@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 22:35:53 JST Utility

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     Again, retarded take. Implying that my crops aren't grown from seeds. Said crops create more seeds that you can use to grow more crops. My garden isn't private. If a neighbor comes over and wants to yoink a couple ears of sweet corn unbeknownst to me then they would be stealing. However they could throw me some cash and take whatever they wanted and I would spend the money on more seeds for different produce.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 22:36:24 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     The crop analogy is actually a p good one.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:45 JST saint podiatron

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     @bot @MisterRogersSnapped @Utility no it's not. you can quantify the theft of vegetables (or seeds) by counting how many you had before and how many you have now. it's fundamentally different from using an idea that someone else came up with. ideas aren't physical things. you can't just pretend that they are.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:55:45 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Utility
     • MisterRogersSnapped
     It’s obviously not a direct analogy, but it’s similar in that he could just grow more crops, and you could too, except that it takes effort. Sort of like creative content, anyone can have an idea but actually creating something requires skill and resources.
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     saint podiatron (goatmeal@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 02:53:22 JST saint podiatron

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     • Utility
     • Kirino Kousaka
     • MisterRogersSnapped
     @Kirino @MisterRogersSnapped @Utility @bot she thinks things are valuable because they require effort, just like a communist
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 02:53:22 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Utility
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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     What gives something value in your mind?
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 02:53:23 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     Tell that to Stephanie Meyer
     
     OHHH, SOMEBODY STOP ME