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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 15:18:06 JST Aral Balkan

   If you’re developing web sites that only run in Google Chrome, you are not a web developer, you’re a web destroyer.

   #google #chrome #WebIntegrityAPI #WebDRM #web #dev

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     --break-system-packages (drunkenmadman@aus.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 15:23:15 JST --break-system-packages

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     @aral we had this debate in the late 90s when Netscape 4 and IE4 implemented differing DOMs.

     Ultimately, the w3c standard won out, but the browser wars, as intense as they were, were even less polarised than now. I do worry about this.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 15:23:15 JST Aral Balkan

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     @drunkenmadman Chrome is the new IE.

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     mike805 (mike805@noc.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 16:36:07 JST mike805

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     @aral If you really mean it, develop in Firefox, and test periodically in Chrome and Safari. I had to do that, and had to do two different implementations of saving files coming in via WebRTC.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 16:36:07 JST Aral Balkan

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     • mike805

     @mike805 Yep, that’s already what I do.

     All usual caveats regarding Mozilla and z Apple stand. But beggars can’t be choosers. “At least it’s not as bad as it could be” is about the best we can hope for under extinction-stage capitalism.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 18:06:03 JST Aral Balkan

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     • campx

     @campx Most browsers I see use Chromium under the hood. Which WebKit-based major browers are you thinking of other than Safari (and, to a far lesser degree) GNOME Web?

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     campx (campx@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 18:06:04 JST campx

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     @aral Well don't worry. Most browsers underlies the same webkit engine nowadays

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:51:49 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Alexander Sosedkin

     @monk https://ar.al/notes/the-documents-to-applications-continuum/

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     Alexander Sosedkin (monk@social.unboiled.info)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:52:31 JST Alexander Sosedkin

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     @aral if you're developing websites that run, these aren't websites, these are apps
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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:54:00 JST Aral Balkan

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     • mike805

     @farshidhakimy @mike805 Yeah, I have a couple of old Apple devices I use.

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     Farshid Hakimy / فرشید (farshidhakimy@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 20:54:02 JST Farshid Hakimy / فرشید

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     • mike805

     @mike805 @aral I don't understand how y'all are testing on WebKit? Do you have Apple devices you test on?
     I tried testing it with Epiphany but it's buggy and still different than Safari.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 23:34:41 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Skylar Caulfield :blue_verify:

     @skymtf @campx Blink is based on a fork of the WebCore component of WebKit.

     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(browser_engine)

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     Skylar Caulfield :blue_verify: (skymtf@blahaj.zone)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 23:34:45 JST Skylar Caulfield :blue_verify:

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     • campx

     @aral@mastodon.ar.al @campx@mastodon.social chromuim is based on WebKit

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 03:48:16 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Offbeatmammal
     • Skylar Caulfield :blue_verify:

     @skymtf @Offbeatmammal Yes, no trillion-dollar corporation is your friend.

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     Skylar Caulfield :blue_verify: (skymtf@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 03:48:17 JST Skylar Caulfield :blue_verify:

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     • Offbeatmammal

     @Offbeatmammal@mastodon.social @aral@mastodon.ar.al WebKit already supports web DRM

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     Offbeatmammal (offbeatmammal@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 03:48:18 JST Offbeatmammal

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     @aral while Safari shits me in some respects, I love how Apple have stuck to their guns while Microsoft caved and made Edge into an even worse Chrome. Firefox used to be my go-to but I struggle with some of their UX/UI choices, but still have it installed for testing (and often go for days with it as my only open browser). DuckDuckGo and Brave are great for ad blocking but don't feel right for other reasons. Google played a long game and are now springing the trap

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 03:49:32 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Julien 🚲📚 🥗 📷 💻

     @julienmartlet @skymtf @campx Yep.

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     Julien 🚲📚 🥗 📷 💻 (julienmartlet@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 03:49:33 JST Julien 🚲📚 🥗 📷 💻

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     • Skylar Caulfield :blue_verify:

     @aral @skymtf @campx Folks, that was 12 years ago. They are nothing alike. Do you remember when Apple announced WebKit, which was itself a fork from KHTML, the rendering engine of the Konqueror web browser ? I do. Wouldn’t want to browse any modern website using that Konqueror though.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 03:54:02 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Dixzy

     @dzzyd “You’re being hysterical” he yells (of course he’s a he), arms flailing wildly. “JFC, get a grip!” he spurts, spraying spittle everywhere.

     👋🤓

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     Dixzy (dzzyd@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 03:54:03 JST Dixzy

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     @aral getting a little tired of the hysteria. If you develop websites for clients for the thing that holds … 70% of all web traffic you are destroying… JFC get a grip

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 14:56:28 JST Aral Balkan

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     • 955_36

     @955_36 Worse.

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     955_36 (955_36@sfba.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 14:56:29 JST 955_36

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     @aral Are we back to the days of Internet Exploder?