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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 18:10:13 JST Aral Balkan

   Google setting the standards for the web is like a fox setting the standards for chicken coops.

   https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md

   #web #standards #w3c #peopleFarming #surveillanceCapitalism #google

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 18:13:57 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Flippin' eck, Tucker!

     @losttourist It was always bullshit.

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     Flippin' eck, Tucker! (losttourist@social.chatty.monster)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 18:13:58 JST Flippin' eck, Tucker!

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     @aral "Don't Be Evil" seems such a very, very long time ago now

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 18:19:35 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Chris Gioran 💔

     @chrisg Yeah, they probably want it to look more grassroots or some other optics bs. Four Googlers on the authors; entirely aligned with Google’s business model, something tells me this isn’t a personal project :)

     PS. My favourite issue so far: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/103

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     Chris Gioran 💔 (chrisg@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 18:19:37 JST Chris Gioran 💔

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     @aral It's a small thing, but it caught my attention that this is under the repo of an individual contributor, not an "official" google account.

     Shameful? I think so.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 18:22:26 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Nathan Lövsund 🐒 🚀

     @nlovsund As always there are.

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     Nathan Lövsund 🐒 🚀 (nlovsund@mastodon.acc.sunet.se)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 18:22:27 JST Nathan Lövsund 🐒 🚀

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     @aral With some chickens cheering on the fox.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:32:35 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Paul Lalonde

     @Flux Oh they’ve always known the plot. It just wasn’t the story they were telling everyone else.

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     Paul Lalonde (flux@wandering.shop)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:32:36 JST Paul Lalonde

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     @aral google has entirely lost the plot.

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     Chris Gioran 💔 (chrisg@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:33:32 JST Chris Gioran 💔

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     • Jaime Herazo

     @jherazob

     Google: Here's a proposal to DRM the entire web.
     Everyone: We don't want you to DRM the entire web.
     Google: The proposal is not final so you cannot judge it as an attempt to DRM the entire web.

     @aral

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     Jaime Herazo (jherazob@mastodon.ie)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:33:33 JST Jaime Herazo

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     • Chris Gioran 💔

     @chrisg @aral

     The issue tracker was filled with issues mocking this proposal or arguing against it, this morning a helluva lot of them were closed by the person in charge (it seems), who proceeded to post this: https://blog.yoav.ws/posts/web_platform_change_you_do_not_like/

     Essentially dismissing off hand any ethical concerns and that any proposal should be technical, when the fact is that the very core of the idea is rotten. It reads very much as "don't criticize us, just help us build this electric fence around the web"

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     Chris Gioran 💔 (chrisg@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:33:34 JST Chris Gioran 💔

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     @aral Closed as completed? Looks like a won't fix to me.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:36:38 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Chris Gioran 💔
     • Jaime Herazo

     @jherazob @chrisg “Don’t assume a hidden agenda”, he says.

     Dude, no one’s assuming a hidden agenda. It’s an explicit agenda. We know what Google’s business model is. We know how Google makes money.

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     Jaime Herazo (jherazob@mastodon.ie)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:37:55 JST Jaime Herazo

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     @aral

     Liked very much this response in one of the criticism issues:
     https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/66#issuecomment-1644936717

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:52:51 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Oblomov
     • Chris Gioran 💔
     • Jaime Herazo

     @chrisg Yeah, it’s scary what a six-figure salary and stock options can do to a person’s head.

     @oblomov @jherazob

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     Chris Gioran 💔 (chrisg@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:52:52 JST Chris Gioran 💔

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     @oblomov

     I am certain their worldview is that any non technical comment is noise, so it doesn't surprise me that 1) they say this and 2) they genuinely believe it.

     @jherazob @aral

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     Oblomov (oblomov@sociale.network)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 21:53:03 JST Oblomov

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     @jherazob @chrisg @aral

     I like how he pretends to ignore that “Fuck you and your unethical ides” *is* the signal, not the noise.

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     Florian Weber (fnwbr@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 22:24:23 JST Florian Weber

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     @aral @jherazob @chrisg As I mentioned previously (https://chaos.social/@fnwbr/110747859317899180), one of the authors of the proposal, Philipp Pfeiffenberger, otherwise works on something called “Google Privacy Sandbox”, which is literally saying that they’re using the whole “privacy” framing just as ways and means for economic and capitalistic motives.

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     Florian Weber (fnwbr@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Jul-2023 22:25:34 JST Florian Weber

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     @aral @jherazob @chrisg To put it bluntly, the way I read that: “Privacy? Yeah, that’s just the cover up we’re using because other browser vendors are not playing by our rules. We need more ads. More ads = more money. For us, for everyone. MOAR ADS!!!” (Emphasis by Google)