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   Heather Buchel (hbuchel@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 18:16:31 JST Heather Buchel

   BlueSky seems to be melting right now (I mean, it has kind of been on this trajectory) and I just really wish people would give Mastodon another chance.

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 18:16:29 JST Erin Conroy

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     @hbuchel

     What’s happening?

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     Heather Buchel (hbuchel@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 18:16:30 JST Heather Buchel

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     Not gonna lie, I was really hoping BlueSky would be ok. I missed a lot of people from Twitter. But it was almost immediately clear it was not. Starting with the benefiting from Black people doing the work to bring communities on board with pretty much no acknowledgement of that work from leadership, to having a wildly inaccessible web app, it's just really not a surprise what's happening right now.

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 00:06:57 JST Erin Conroy

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     This is exactly what I expect from the Jack Dorsey’s crew at Bluesky.

     I found this on the fediverse:

     “pretty bad when your social media platform sends a stern talking to email for calling someone a cracker but lets someone signup with the n-word as a handle”

     Says it all. What more do anti-racist people need to see?

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     Heather Buchel (hbuchel@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 00:06:58 JST Heather Buchel

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     @chargrille A whole lot of anti-Blackness and frustration with their inability to moderate the instance while seeming to continuously not take anything moderation/trust/safety seriously because "federation will solve it" https://hachyderm.io/@hbuchel/110705304155823684

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 00:42:32 JST Erin Conroy

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     @Tim_Eagon @hbuchel

     It’s really not about business. Jack has flatly stated that multiple times. He said it was the right thing for business but “wrong decision for the internet & society” to suspend Trump’s account in the immediate aftermath of the Jan 6 2021 Republican coup & attack on the legislature.

     He does not want to ban Nazi recruitment from the internet & definitely not from his own platforms. That was the whole reason for starting #Bluesky, so no one could. Only hide it individually.

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     Tim_Eagon (tim_eagon@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 00:42:34 JST Tim_Eagon

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     @hbuchel @chargrille Federation solves it by making someone else do it. I figured that was their business case all along, off load all the hard stuff on someone else.

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 00:50:14 JST Erin Conroy

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     Update: the account is still up.

     Which is exactly what I would expect from #Bluesky operating under Jack Dorsey’s founding goals, which were to keep up Nazi accounts, hate speech and extremists accounts in the main community, and allow them access to that community in order to radicalize white “normies” - but keep ostensibly “not racist” white people & vulnerable minorities in that community too, by letting them individually hide hate speech behind “algorithmic choice.”

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 00:57:06 JST Erin Conroy

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     @hbuchel @Tim_Eagon

     They won’t be able to escape it by going to another ATP (#Bluesky AT Protocol) instance in the BS-inverse. BS is still the indexer & won’t ban Nazi accounts. So they won’t be able to “take their account with them,” as BS advertises. They will be exposing their whole social graph to Nazi recruiters. I really think people have been tricked by Dorsey’s marketing there.
     Cc @raccoon

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     Heather Buchel (hbuchel@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 00:57:07 JST Heather Buchel

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     @chargrille @Tim_Eagon Yeah, I expect their instance (where everyone is at currently) is not going to be the same space after federation. Like, anyone that cares about this stuff (you know, not having to read words from white supremacists and having racial slurs hurled at you) will be forced to vacate to elsewhere.

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     jz.tusk (jztusk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 01:13:59 JST jz.tusk

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     @chargrille @Tim_Eagon @hbuchel

     It feels worth remembering that Fox News was started after Nixon was kicked out of office, as Ailes thought that it wouldn't have happened if there had been a "news" source that right-wingers controlled. They're smart enough to have had the same thought about social media.

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 01:16:53 JST Erin Conroy

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     @jztusk

     True. It’s a bad habit of Democrats and progressives to think they’re the smartest guys in the business, & that the people running the political right are as dumb as their voters. They very clearly are not. Look at their successes and weep.

     If our side were half as strategic we would have had the White House & Court & likely a trifecta for the last 30 years.

     @Tim_Eagon @hbuchel

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     Defiance! (defiance@sfba.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 05:23:36 JST Defiance!

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     @chargrille @hbuchel @Tim_Eagon @raccoon

     What do you all think of Spill?

     https://time.com/6292622/spill-app-twitter-alternative/

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 05:23:36 JST Erin Conroy

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     @Defiance

     I’m not a fan of blockchain or of monetizing viral posting, because that creates an incentive structure that increases rage farming.

     If forced out of the fediverse, I would go to a Black-owned version of a privatized social exchange before I would go to a Jack Dorsey venture, but imo ActivityPub/fediverse is a much healthier option for the country, than privatized spaces that directly monetize conversations & the once-vast resource of human attention.

     @hbuchel @Tim_Eagon @raccoon

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 05:36:04 JST Erin Conroy

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     @Defiance
     If they keep a wall up to Dorsey & Musk & Zuckerberg platforms, and my community of activists decide it is facilitating real world action & organizing, then I would open an account & see what it’s like in practice. My purpose in being on these networks is information sharing, organizing actions & building solidarity towards the same, educating myself, & venting emotionally. But I have to consider whether the platform does good overall for others, too.

     @hbuchel @Tim_Eagon @raccoon

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     Defiance! (defiance@sfba.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 05:50:44 JST Defiance!

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     @chargrille

     I hear you. It's frustrating. I wish everyone would just get on Mastodon or some other part of the Fediverse. All these private, for-profit platforms will always be incentivized to make decisions that are not in the best interest of their community members.

     @hbuchel @Tim_Eagon @raccoon

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     Erin Conroy (chargrille@progressives.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 05:50:44 JST Erin Conroy

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     @Defiance

     I just saw this and I mean, I rest my case. Krassensteinism is the essence of what all these schemes produce.

     And for all I know, are intended to produce. Though honestly I think it’s just a vicious race to the bottom. No amount of reach is worth it - for me being on Twitter has been like swimming upstream in Krassenstein style crap more or less since 2020. I’m glad for something different.

     @hbuchel @Tim_Eagon @raccoon