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    Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 08:40:56 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell

    Hey fellow developers! Do you have a preferred term of art for software that:

    • has captive users
    • is designed primarily for the org’s needs
    • can frustrating as long as it works

    …versus a term for software that:

    • people can choose not to use
    • must not be frustrating
    • requires user-centered design

    There are plenty of terms like “enterprise software” and “consumer software” that come close, but say too much (specifying who users are, biz model, etc). Any terms that capture just the above?

    In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 08:40:56 JST from hachyderm.io permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 09:47:57 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      My working terms are “user-centered software” and “org-centered software,” but if there’s a good term of art out there, I’d prefer it.

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 09:47:57 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:45:41 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Talk’o’belle

      @rvr In the context where I’m using the terms, it’s all internally developed software for a nonprofit, so there’s no “buyer.” I’m trying to help them see the difference between the dev they’re used to (making internal processes work) vs what they’re struggling with (“Why doesn’t the public engage with our clunky, irritating software even though it has all these features?”).

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:45:41 JST permalink
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      Talk’o’belle (rvr@mstdn.plus)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:45:42 JST Talk’o’belle Talk’o’belle
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      @inthehands “buyer-centered” might be better than “org-centered”? Not sure. It’s a tough one to label.

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:45:42 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:02 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Talk’o’belle

      @rvr Captive vs non-captive user is the core distinction here, yes.

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:02 JST permalink
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      Talk’o’belle (rvr@mstdn.plus)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:03 JST Talk’o’belle Talk’o’belle
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      @inthehands ah, very interesting… so it’s internal vs external? So inside- be outside-oriented… or captive vs non-captive user base?

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:03 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:49 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • jgys

      @jgys
      I was tending somewhere similar:
      https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/110675707484995630

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:49 JST permalink

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        My working terms are “user-centered software” and “org-centered software,” but if there’s a good term of art out there, I’d prefer it.
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      jgys (jgys@mastodon.online)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:50 JST jgys jgys
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      @inthehands user-centered versus system-centered, maybe?

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 11:56:50 JST permalink
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      Exandra (alexbbrown@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 12:04:43 JST Exandra Exandra
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      @inthehands the first I call "vendorware"

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 12:04:43 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 12:09:34 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • xcorvis

      @xcorvis One of the core ideas I’m trying to communicate to this particular audience is the relationship between what I think are your two spectra: when you don’t have captive users, your org’s needs have to take a back seat to the users’ experience.

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 12:09:34 JST permalink
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      xcorvis (xcorvis@retro.pizza)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 12:09:35 JST xcorvis xcorvis
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      @inthehands maybe instead of a single term you're looking at a grid of 2 competing spectrums. Usability vs necessity, with a "frustrating" quadrant and a "happy" one.

      In conversation Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 12:09:35 JST permalink
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      Nathan Vander Wilt (natevw@toot.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jul-2023 05:10:57 JST Nathan Vander Wilt Nathan Vander Wilt
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      • xcorvis

      @inthehands @xcorvis I don't quite get this though — if the software is "clunky and irritating" as you said elsewhere, isn't that in some ways *also* working against the org's needs?

      like I get that there's distinction between learn-as-you-go interfaces (a bumper car, say) and requires-training-or-even-certification interfaces (like operating a high-rise crane) but if the interface for the latter is needlessly user-hostile just out of poor design I don't see that working in **anyone's** favor…!

      In conversation Sunday, 09-Jul-2023 05:10:57 JST permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jul-2023 05:10:57 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Nathan Vander Wilt
      • xcorvis

      @natevw @xcorvis
      Yes, in a perfect world, all software is built in a user-centered way. (I’m the one usually beat the drum of “All software impacts people! Know who they are, and be good to them.”)

      Still, in our world of tradeoffs, sometimes there’s a hard choice between “check functionality box X even though it compromises the experience somewhat” vs “cut functionality X to keep the experience polished.” And the best choice there very much depends on context.

      In conversation Sunday, 09-Jul-2023 05:10:57 JST permalink

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