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   goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:31:18 JST goatsarah
   Once more for those at the back, because a lot of people seem kinda slow on the uptake. This is the sort of boat that Iberian orcas attack:
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:31:51 JST goatsarah

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     And this is not.
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:34:34 JST goatsarah

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     They are not, and never have been, attacking the boats of the mega rich. They attack the boats of hobbyist sailors, and a few Moroccan fishermen.
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     Bill Hooker (sennoma@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:35:43 JST Bill Hooker

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     Is that a rich people boat? It looks like a rich people boat to me. If the orcas have decided to eat the rich, I'm ok with it.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:35:43 JST goatsarah

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     Speaking of people who seem slow on the uptake, no Bill, it’s not. It probably cost less than your car, you fucking idiot.
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:46:57 JST goatsarah

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     • Alexandra Lanes

     @ajlanes Yeah. This is pissing me off, like, a lot now. If you were Rowling, would you buy a boat for the price of tricked out MacBook?

     I mean, I suspect you probably wouldn’t. If I had her sort of money and wanted a boat, I think I’d probably spend more on it than I would on a laptop.

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     Alexandra Lanes (ajlanes@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:46:58 JST Alexandra Lanes

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     @goatsarah There was an inevitable picture of Rowling’s absurdly expensive yacht with “Orcas for trans rights” slogans on it. The sigh etc.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:50:22 JST goatsarah

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     BTW, if you’re sharing this, please share BOTH posts, otherwise because of the way federation works, if you only share one most people will only see that one.
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:54:21 JST goatsarah

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     • Alexandra Lanes

     @ajlanes Also, I know quite a lot of trans people with sailboats. Most of them live on them, because they can’t afford a flat or house.

     I don’t know a single one with a luxury motor yacht.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:55:03 JST goatsarah

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     • Saxicola ✅ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺
     @saxicola Yeah. Mine is 9 metres long. It’s my hobby. I suspect the money I spend on it is similar to the money a lot of people reading this spend on their hobby. This year I will have to run the gauntlet with these animals, and it’s kinda intimidating, TBH.
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     Saxicola ✅ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺 (saxicola@toot.community)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:55:04 JST Saxicola ✅ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺

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     @goatsarah
     Indeed. I am not wealthy but I once owned a Dufour Apage, in that size range. An orca attack on that boat would have been horrific.

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     Alexandra Lanes (ajlanes@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:55:37 JST Alexandra Lanes

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     @goatsarah It’s getting very tiresome. But past the first few it became an exercise in resisting the urge to argue people being infuriatingly wrong on the internet. Probably good practice for terfs. I just hope there’s not a orca to terfery brainworm pathway.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 06:58:04 JST goatsarah

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     My mother-in-law’s dog groomer has a boat that was attacked by these orcas last year, and nearly sunk. For those still struggling to follow at the back, do the mega rich generally earn a living cutting the hair of other peoples dogs? Take all the time you need with that.
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     Alexandra Lanes (ajlanes@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 07:02:05 JST Alexandra Lanes

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     @goatsarah I know she spoils that dog something rotten but I didn’t realise it included hiring multimillionaires to give him a trim.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 18:35:45 JST goatsarah

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     • Charlie Owen
     @whalecoiner It’s cheaper to live on a sailboat in a lot of these places than it is to rent an apartment.
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     Charlie Owen (whalecoiner@indieweb.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 18:35:47 JST Charlie Owen

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     @goatsarah You’re probably not mega rich if you have the time and money to operate a yacht.

     Just normal rich.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 19:25:41 JST goatsarah

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     • Charlie Owen

     @whalecoiner My boat is in Portsmouth, nowhere near these animals. I am wealthy, and I do not profess otherwise.

     I am angry because of the idea that people like my mother in law’s dog groomer deserve to drown because they like sailing as a hobby.

     Plenty of people who sail are rich, and you can spend stupid money on it.

     But an awful lot aren’t. If people gleefully chomping at the bit for weekend sailors to die horrifically are getting “rubbed up the wrong way”, I really don’t fucking care, because to be perfectly frank, they’re cunts.

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     Charlie Owen (whalecoiner@indieweb.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 19:25:43 JST Charlie Owen

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     @goatsarah uh huh, but that’s not what your posts came across as saying. More like “we’re not rich just because we own and operate a yacht!”. Which given that you’re one of the trans women known for living off the money from tech shares *might* just rub folk up the wrong way. 🤷♀️

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 19:34:54 JST goatsarah

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     • Charlie Owen

     @whalecoiner I’d also note that since this has become “a thing” on social media, the groups sailors made to exchange safety information about this entire situation are being overrun with edgelord “trolls” telling them, again, that they’re all rich arseholes who deserve to die.

     One of the guys who runs a website that collates information has to ask for donations to keep it running. It would be really nice if people could just fucking leave us alone while we try to share info aimed at not drowning.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 19:38:11 JST goatsarah

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     • Charlie Owen

     @whalecoiner You’re getting a server block after this because you are clearly deeply invested in missing the point, but before that I want to note that if there was a situation that was at risk of drowning people who lived in narrowboats, then there wouldn’t be this reaction because they are coded working class.

     You need a fuckton more money to own and operate one of those than you do a sailing boat.

     If you are “getting rubbed up the wrong way”, then maybe that’s your conscience nagging at you. Goodbye.

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     Charlie Owen (whalecoiner@indieweb.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 19:38:12 JST Charlie Owen

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     @goatsarah I didn’t see anyone “chomping a the bit for weekend sailors to die”. It’s some internet memists using attacks on a rich persons hobby (hey, you can be rich being a dog groomer, just as you can be rich being unemployed) by wildlife as a metaphor for class warfare and nature fighting back.

     If you want to get angry about that then you’re gonna get angry over ACAB and eat the rich. 🤷♀️

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 22:17:38 JST goatsarah

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     • legumancer Davy
     @legumancer @whalecoiner Yeah. It's notable how overbuilt the original GRP boats were, compared to modern GRP boats where they've started to realise they needed a lot less structural integrity than they thought.
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     legumancer Davy (legumancer@tech.lgbt)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 22:17:39 JST legumancer Davy

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     • Charlie Owen

     @whalecoiner @goatsarah The boat builders hadn't expected their mass produced fiberglass boats to be as durable as they were, and in the 90s and even moreso in the 2000s they found it impossible to sell new boats to sailors on a budget when old boats that sail just fine once you scrub the mildew out could be had for a few thousand or free. So they went upmarket again, building ever fancier and more expensive boats and driving the overall industry to market mainly to the rich again. But all those shoestring sailors are still out there.

     There's probably more of them in Europe than the US, too. Most American marinas ban living aboard at the dock, and anywhere warm enough that you'd want to has a state level ban. There's less of that in Europe, so people who work in coastal cities where they can't afford housing live on these sorts of boats. It's like a mobile home with less space but (if the engine still works or you know how to dock under sail) more fun.

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     legumancer Davy (legumancer@tech.lgbt)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 22:17:40 JST legumancer Davy

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     • Charlie Owen

     @whalecoiner @goatsarah not even normal rich. Sailing has a rich people hobby reputation because it *used* to be expensive, before the invention of fiberglass boats. Wood boats required a lot more labor to build, and we're way out of reach as a hobby for most people. Then in the 70s and 80s several large builders got really good at mass producing boats (Catalina and Hunter in the US, Beneteau in Europe, and a bunch of mid size makers too). They sold a ton of them to middle class people who didn't have the money for something more traditional and customized, and we're willing to gamble on whether the fiberglass boats would last.

     It turns out, fiberglass hulls last practically forever if they don't have manufacturing defects or crash into anything. The market is absolutely flooded with old but seaworthy (for coastal waters) boats, from as far back as 1960s. There's a healthy used market for parts (from scrapped boats and wealthier sailors' old equipment when they upgrade), too.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 22:26:05 JST goatsarah

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     @legumancer @whalecoiner I got into sailing myself because my step kids needed something to do at the weekend when we had them that took their mind off stuff I don't particularly care to talk about. Inlaws lived in an old fishing town. The local "yacht" club was dying on its arse and desperately needed new blood, and was trying to shed the image you talk about. It was trying to attract local kids to learn to sail, so we enrolled ours.

     Then decided it looked fun AF, and my FIL got a 1960s GRP open day boat, which @zoe and I sailed more than he did, for a couple of hundred quid (literally).

     And then we decided it would be nice to have somewhere to make a cup of tea, and Zoe and I bought a 1980s 23 foot day sailer/cabin cruiser. Barely more than a floating fibreglass tent with a plastic bag connected to a hand pump for water, but we learned a lot.

     When it came to get rid of FILs open day sailer, we literally couldn't give it away.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 22:51:51 JST goatsarah

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     @legumancer @whalecoiner @zoe The 23 footer came with an ancient 2 stroke outboard in a well, that died soon after we got it. Could only replace with 4 strokes because pollution laws, so the one that would fit was woefully underpowered.

     We had a mooring buoy in the estuary for a few hundred quid a year. The tides could run at 5 knots. There is no way our engine could fight them, so if returning to our buoy on a spring ebb, we either had to sail onto the buoy or, if not possible, lasso it on the way past.

     One day we missed. Had to be rescued by the club motorboat, otherwise it would have been drop anchor and wait about 3 hours for the tide to slacken.

     We really didn't know what we were doing. Went and took lessons from proper ocean sailors.

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     legumancer Davy (legumancer@tech.lgbt)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 22:51:52 JST legumancer Davy

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     @goatsarah @whalecoiner @zoe our first boat was an open 13 foot daysailer with a daggerboard and badly worm out sails, that we didn't know enough to know we're past usefulness. We had a great sail onto Irondequoit Bay and then had to paddle back because she couldn't tack even a little bit upwind. Another time we tried to go out onto Lake Ontario and nearly capsized in the channel out if the bay because we weren't prepared for the sudden change in wind speed - I had to stand up and yank the sail down the mast while Mike leaned out to counterbalance so we didn't flip over.

     We had a blast with that $300 boat, and I'm so glad we made our mistakes on a craft small enough to paddle, tow by hand, and probably even tow while swimming if there'd been no other way to get moving. I think I'm done living on boats (not that boat, a boat with an inside) but it'd be fun to have something with a sail that fits on a jet ski trailer again.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 23:32:20 JST goatsarah

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     Not the first time in UK waters for sure. It happened near Scilly, either last year or the year before, but the first time in Scotland. Fuckers appear to have been learning from each other.
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     Gareth Kitchen (gruff@stroud.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 23:32:21 JST Gareth Kitchen

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     @goatsarah Coincidence? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/21/orca-rams-yacht-off-shetland-first-such-incident-northern-waters
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 05:26:25 JST goatsarah

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     • Cyberspice
     @cyberspice That’s absolutely definitely a yacht.
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     Cyberspice (cyberspice@oldbytes.space)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 05:26:26 JST Cyberspice

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     @goatsarah Yeah. I’ve been having the same conversation. Showing people photos of things like Moody 35 and have them deny its a yacht. I don’t know what they think the word yacht means!

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     Ponygirl (ponygirl@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 23:45:45 JST Ponygirl

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     @goatsarah Richsplaining is kinda funny.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Jun-2023 23:45:45 JST goatsarah

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     • Ponygirl

     @Ponygirl Do you have a laptop, or tablet computer?

     Congrats. Some of the boats these animals attacked cost less than that.

     Now fuck off.

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     Kai (socksinspace@sueden.social)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:04:38 JST Kai

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     @goatsarah fucking finally someone is saying this, thank you

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:05:52 JST goatsarah

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     @BarrenPlanet Ah, but according to The Discourse, this means you are Teh Rich and totally deserve to drown.

     I have, as you might imagine, very little time for these people, and am blocking them on sight, usually after swearing at them just because.

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     Probably Paul (barrenplanet@calckey.social)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:05:53 JST Probably Paul

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     • Ponygirl

     @Ponygirl@mastodon.social @goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org You can get these old fibreglass boats for less than a second-hand car, and some of these fishermen inherited their boats, and barely make enough from their hauls to cover maintenance and feed their families. Those people are, by anyone's standards, barely scraping a living.
     
     Oh and I'm not rich either. I have minus (-) £8 in my current account and no savings. My dad also isn't rich, but has a motorboat which he uses for fishing. He got it for free because it was too bust-up to charge anything for, and renovated it himself.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:22:45 JST goatsarah

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     @BarrenPlanet @Ponygirl The point about narrow boats is well made. They are typically much more expensive than “sailing yachts”, but coded working class, so presumably the people living in them don’t deserve to drown.

     Honestly, some people just have a desperate need to demonstrate their inner arsehole to the world. I’ve been blocking them on a zero-tolerance basis. The way the fediverse works means they likely still see these replies, but whatever they say back goes into the void; my server simply ignores it.

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     Probably Paul (barrenplanet@calckey.social)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:22:47 JST Probably Paul

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     @goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org
     @Ponygirl@mastodon.social There are complex and longstanding boating and fishing cultures in these European coastal villages and towns! The fact they have a largish boat doesn't mean they're rich or even moderately wealthy; that boat is a family asset. We also have GRT communities in the UK with huge, hundred-thousand pound mobile homes...but again, that's the main family asset in many cases. They don't have much else of value. Without it they'd be destitute.
     
     The waterways of the UK have thousands of long boats and barges that cost upwards of £20k - perhaps considerably more - but again, many in those communities live on their boats and could only afford them because the mooring is only a few grand a year, so in the long run it's way cheaper than buying even a small terraced house. And we don't call people who live in those rich, do we? 🙄

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:27:04 JST goatsarah

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     @BarrenPlanet And indeed, a LOT of people from Cape St Vincent to Gibraltar are living on those boats. They’re their homes. A lot do casual work to be able to pay mooring fees and suchlike.

     But someone who has thought about it for 15 seconds has decided that they need to lose everything they own and maybe drown in the Atlantic.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:46:54 JST goatsarah

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     @BarrenPlanet Also, there are a glut of GRP boats from the 70s and 80s that are literally worth nothing, but the hulls are still perfectly fine. These boats are often passed on for a couple of hundred euros, or even nothing, and then the interiors and rigging rebuilt as hobbies.
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     Probably Paul (barrenplanet@calckey.social)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:46:56 JST Probably Paul

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     @goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org
     @Ponygirl@mastodon.social Yeah. I've been waiting for someone to say, "What seriously, your pops got a whole fishing boat for free? Yeah right!" which is something else that needs addressing in this context. Rural and coastal communities often have barter cultures, and while my dad is skint, he's also built many of the dry-stone walls (a dying skill) in his part of Wales, and odd-jobs for people without even thinking of charging. You got a swarm of bees? Call dad, he keeps them and farms them for honey. What goes around, comes around.
     
     It's all just a lot more complicated than The Discourse (as you put it) allows for. We should be advocating for deterants to stop an endangered species from attacking boats, not egging them on! Because at this rate people will start harpooning orcas on sight...and then it won't be "the rich" who suffer.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 00:48:11 JST goatsarah

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     @BarrenPlanet I’ll also note that one of these orcas has turned up in a French river estuary dead, with a bullet in it. The French do not fuck about.
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 17:25:34 JST goatsarah

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     • walsonde

     @walsonde To be able to propagate posts to my server, you need to be able to fucking read.

     *plonk*

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     walsonde (walsonde@rheinneckar.social)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 17:25:35 JST walsonde

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     @goatsarah to be able to own this kind of boat your have to be mega rich. 🤷

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 17:36:31 JST goatsarah

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     Getting quite the blocklist of insufferable wankers from this post.
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 04:33:57 JST goatsarah

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     @hughster I'm on Friendica, where all these comments are just comments attached to the parent post.
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     Hughster (hughster@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 04:33:58 JST Hughster

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     @goatsarah Sites like Twitter always had this thread decontextualising problem too, although they do show that a post is part of a thread at least. Some Fedi clients do the same or better, like the one I'm on at the mo:

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 09:41:32 JST goatsarah

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     • Hughster

     @hughster Yes. It’s like Facebook. A top level post on my wall, with people commenting on it.

     Which is why the insufferable wanker thing is annoying me. It feels intrusive.

     And so they get blocked with extreme prejudice.

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     Hughster (hughster@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 09:41:33 JST Hughster

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     @goatsarah Oh I see. So even your own replies to yourself are shown as comments?