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   FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 03:26:39 JST FediTips has moved!

   Finding a server to move to is easier than most people realise.

   There are human-curated lists of servers at https://fedi.garden and https://joinmastodon.org/servers

   All these listed servers promise to obey these rules:

   -Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia
   -Daily backups
   -Two or more people with admin access
   -3 months warning if they are shutting down

   You can keep your followers, follows, blocks, mutes and bookmarks when you move. Here's how: https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server/

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     brunoc (brunoc@mastodon.sprawl.club)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 03:39:51 JST brunoc

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     @feditips You might want to revise this toot, folks.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 05:34:30 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     "If the users I like are all here, and I can see other servers, what would be the point of ever switching to a different server? "

     Firstly, you don't have to be on the same server as users you like. I'm on a different server, yet you are talking to me right now.

     Second and most important, there are many important reasons why this network needs to be spread out onto as many servers as possible:

     https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers/

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 05:34:31 JST Staid Winnow

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     @feditips

     There are some 12,000+ instances, but 90% of the users seem to be concentrated in fewer than 3-4 dozen instances.

     mastodon.social being the largest. I am a user on it.

     If the users I like are all here, and I can see other servers, what would be the point of ever switching to a different server? Also, how would I pick? Like, what the benefits of joining, say, mstdn.social instead of remaining here?

     Moderation seems pretty reasonable here.

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 05:35:42 JST Mastodon Migration

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     @feditips Also, what do you think of promoting the idea of people creating a MASTODON ALT on another instance as an option to MOVING? Moving is a pretty major decision, whereas creating a Mastodon Alt (MALT?) account may be a good way to "try before you buy." Curious about your reaction to this?

     #concentration

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 05:35:42 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Mastodon Migration

     @mastodonmigration

     Alts are fine, and yeah that would be a good way of trying out different servers too.

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     Mastodon Migration (mastodonmigration@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 05:39:25 JST Mastodon Migration

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     @feditips Could https://fedi.garden/ prominently show the instance size, max post length and any special characteristics like post length or moderation specifics?

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 05:39:25 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Mastodon Migration

     @mastodonmigration

     You can see instance info including those by clicking on the instance's link.

     I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible on my sites.

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:07:06 JST Staid Winnow

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     @feditips I understand I do not have to be on the same server as the users I like. But why would I move? The link cites a concern that some instances may become too big, but such is already the case.

     If someone buys mastodon.social for beaucoup bucks, and other instances cut it off from the Fediverse, wouldn't I lose contact with all the users I like?

     The Fediverse thrives if you have users better distributed, but I am just a social media user. No desire to host my own or "fight the man!"

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:07:06 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     "The link cites a concern that some instances may become too big, but such is already the case."

     That's like saying global warming is already happening, so we needn't bother stopping it.

     M.S is on 14% of the network, if it keeps growing and there's another wave it could go over 50%.
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     "No desire to ... "fight the man!""

     Genuine question: why are you on a decentralised network if you think decentralisation is pointless?

     The point of this place is to stop centralisation.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:14:20 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     You don't see the benefits to yourself. But you're not even addressing the benefits to society, which were mentioned at the earlier link.

     That's why this place exists, to make a social network that isn't a spying machine. The reason Twitter, Facebook etc misbehave is ultimately because they are centralised.

     If mastodon.social becomes a majority of the network, then this place will turn into the same hellscape that Twitter, Facebook etc are now.

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:14:21 JST Staid Winnow

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     @feditips

     "why are you on a decentralised network if you think decentralisation is pointless?"

     Because I am open-minded. Many extol the virtues of decentralization, but as a user, I do not see the benefits (yet).

     I like certain social media, especially when there is good moderation. Beyond that...I live and learn.

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:17:59 JST Staid Winnow

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     @feditips

     "That's like saying global warming is already happening, so we needn't bother stopping it."

     No, it is not like that at all. I am saying that I do not recognize the ills brought forth by some instances being too large.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:17:59 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     The ills are these:

     -Centralisation puts the entire network at risk of being bought out, which leads to the governance problems, spying on users, political manipulations etc we've seen on Twitter, Facebook etc.

     -Centralised networks have one set of owners. What happens if someone disagrees with the behaviour of those owners or the behaviour of the moderators? On a centralised network nowere, on a decentralised network there are lots of alternatives.

     (1/2)

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:20:38 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     I mentioned all of these on the earlier link I posted btw.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:20:39 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     -If the owner of a network knows that users cannot leave to another instance, they have much incentive to change their ways. Look at the awful stuff Musk is doing, he's been posting obscenities and racist material and taunts his critics for not being able to leave his network.

     -It means people with new ideas, new software, new approaches, new governance etc can just start up a server with a readymade audience.

     -If one instance goes down, the others don't.

     (2/2)

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:22:17 JST Staid Winnow

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     @feditips

     Qwitter, Facebook etc. misbehave because it is profitable for their owners to support that user base.

     I think they would be as shitty even if they were decentralized.

     Moderation is the key factor for me to determine if some platform is shitty.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:22:17 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     Moderation is not random. It is determined by the environment a server exists in.

     The average server on the Fedi has 500-1000 users. That gives it a ratio of 1 or more moderators to 1000 people.

     For Facebook to have that same ratio, they would need 3 million moderators.

     Smaller instances have a better moderator-to-user ratio. The bigger an instancce gets, the worse this ratio becomes.

     If you're into moderation, you should favour smaller instances.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:25:31 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Staid Winnow

     @staidwinnow

     But then they would lose all their follows and followers.

     On the decentralised Fediverse they keep their follows and followers.

     That's the network effect which traps people on centralised instances, but doesn't trap people on decentralised instances.

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:25:32 JST Staid Winnow

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     @feditips

     "What happens if someone disagrees with the behaviour of those owners or the behaviour of the moderators?"

     The moderators/owners win. The user moves to another platform. At least that is what has been true for me.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 06:36:20 JST FediTips has moved!

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     p.s. If you want to see the about page of a server's mobile website, click on the ⋯ button on the right of the screen.

     If you're looking at the desktop website it will be a button labelled "Learn more" on the left of the screen.

     Both of these take you to the server's About page, which has a description of the server, the rules, a list of blocked servers and the public contact email of the server's admin.

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     Tâi Siáu-káu 台痟狗 ㄊㄇㄉ 🇳🇫 台灣國 (timmaddog@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-May-2023 22:17:31 JST Tâi Siáu-káu 台痟狗 ㄊㄇㄉ 🇳🇫 台灣國

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     @feditips
     Mine (desktop web site) is on the bottom-left of the screen and just say "About."