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   taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:37:59 JST taoeffect

   The United States government creates drug cartels thanks to its drug war laws.

   Why are we doing this?

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:37:57 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • CattleBaron
     What’s your solution to the problem?
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:37:58 JST taoeffect

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     Here is #AlexJones posting an idiotic poll for his #InfoWars readers.

     Note how it's not interested in solving the problem, but in creating more problems.

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     CattleBaron (cattlebaron@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:37:58 JST CattleBaron

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     @taoeffect what is the cartel problem?

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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:37:58 JST taoeffect

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     @CattleBaron Cartels going around engaging in gun fights and doing all kinds of other very bad things

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:39:36 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • CattleBaron
     The drug war laws… you mean the laws that criminalise ppl trafficking and selling dangerous drugs?
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:39:37 JST taoeffect

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     • CattleBaron

     @bot @CattleBaron It's kind of implied by the OP. Get rid of the drug war laws, and replace them with something better

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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:40:52 JST taoeffect

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     • CattleBaron

     @bot @CattleBaron Yes, those laws.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:40:52 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • CattleBaron
     Ok so now it’s legal to traffic and sell dangerous drugs. How does that improve things? Have you ever been to California?
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     Free Idealist (free_idealist@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:42:18 JST Free Idealist

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     • CattleBaron
     @bot @taoeffect @CattleBaron He's a bit slow, hence the turtle.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:43:10 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Free Idealist
     Can you explain how legalising the trafficking and dealing of dangerous drugs improves things?
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:43:11 JST taoeffect

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     • Free Idealist

     @Free_Idealist @CattleBaron @bot You mean wise, but I'll pretend you said that 😂

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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:45:07 JST taoeffect

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     • CattleBaron

     @bot @CattleBaron I live there! 😂

     Have you ever heard of prohibition?

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:45:07 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • CattleBaron
     I have. I assume you mean in reference to alcohol. Alcohol isn’t an extremely addictive drug that destroys your life.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:46:39 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Free Idealist
     Cartel violence is still going to exist, they slaughter each other like animals because they’re competing for control and market share.
     
     How does legalising dangerous drugs make them less dangerous?
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:46:40 JST taoeffect

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     • Free Idealist

     @bot @CattleBaron @Free_Idealist Well for one it makes them significantly less dangerous. For another it gets rid of the cartel violence, and it frees up police resources to focus on real crime.

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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:48:20 JST taoeffect

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     • CattleBaron

     @bot @CattleBaron Alcohol is most certainly addictive and it has destroyed many lives. It is far worse than many drugs currently prohibited.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:48:20 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • CattleBaron
     You’re right in a way (not really tho), but alcohol isn’t nearly as destructive as opiates, crack, and meth. Most ppl can control their alcohol consumption.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:49:21 JST Mr. Bacon

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     • CattleBaron
     Oh, you mean the cartels who funded the construction of a couple of major US cities like Miami?
     
     Drugs and the gov are more intertwined than anyone likes to believe…the Obama administration made a deal with the cartels that they could have the US market if they controlled the black gangs. Which is why we saw a major drop in gun violence after 2008.
     
     The Mexican cartels took out the black gangs.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:49:21 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Mr. Bacon
     I sort of believe that tbh.
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:50:14 JST taoeffect

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     • Free Idealist

     @bot @CattleBaron @Free_Idealist You know what, I'm not going to answer that. Because you must think I'm a stupid slow turrtle.

     But why don't you ask the Internet? Or ChatGPT?

     That answer is easily searchable. Many people who have dedicated their lives to the study of the drug war have answered that question better than I can here with 250 characters.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:50:14 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Free Idealist
     I didn’t call you any names. I’m asking you because you’re the one proposing it as a solution.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:52:26 JST djsumdog

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     Have you heard of Fentanyl? Do you think it should be legal and uncontrolled?
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     KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:53:03 JST KitlerIs6"

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     It's also something that humans have been consuming for 1000s of years. Not the same as meth at all.
     
     Also the reason we "lost" the drug war is because we signed a free trade agreement with the country to our southern neighbor that destroyed their country and then allowed nearly unlimited economic migration from that country into our own.
     
     Oh and because we're full of low-iq, low-impulse control non-whites who make the ideal drug runners/consumers.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:53:52 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Chiva
     Yeah, making dangerous drugs freely and legally available is going to lead to less drug use. That makes sense.
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     Chiva (chiva@coolsite.win)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:53:53 JST Chiva

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     decriminalizing drugs and working towards eventually legalizing them on a federal level would not only hurt the cartels main source of income, but also reduce overdose related deaths+ reduce the prison population.
     
     Prisons just act as a revolving door when it comes to social rehabilitation.
     
     Also, the United States needs to bring back mental asylums… first and foremost.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:56:30 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     I’ve been perfectly polite to you, I think you’re just salty because you’re getting btfo.
     
     People aren’t typically locked up for drug use on its own, there are probably tens or hundreds of thousands of drug users roaming around every major city. They’re locked up for the violent crime they commit to feed their habit, or for being a distributor or trafficking.
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:56:31 JST taoeffect

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     @bot @CattleBaron "You're right in a way (not really tho)"

     See, this is why I don't want to answer your questions. This conversation feels like it's getting into argumentative territory, so whatever I say you'll just "not really me", even if I'm right.

     I will continue advocating for it because locking people up in prison over a health problem is wrong.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:56:58 JST djsumdog

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     Obama also gave us The Fast and the Furious gun running programs ... to stop the flow of guns by funneling thousands of them into South America
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:57:17 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Yes, I think they’re all complicit.
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:58:48 JST The MILF Messiah

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     • Chiva
     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron most drug related crime is caused in relation to acquisition. Portugal have legalized drug use, and have seen huge drops in both drug users (less stigma to get help) and in drug related crime
     
     I hate drugs, even weed, but the current evidence shows that prohibition doesn't work (source: every single act of prohibition of substance in history)
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:58:48 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Chiva
     Um yah, if you make drug use and distribution legal, there’s going to be “less” crime.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 11:59:19 JST Mr. Bacon

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     I heard some rumblings that during the 2008 crash - the US got bailed out by some cartels because they were the only ones with a lot of liquid cash.
     
     I don't think America has ever been "at war" with drugs, I think they criminalize it to incarcerate people and get cheap labor into the prison system.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:01:39 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • djsumdog
     • CattleBaron
     Fentanyl has been around since the 1960s.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:01:41 JST iced depresso

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     @djsumdog @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot fentanyl is just part of the extremely long line of opioid concentrations pushed by drug wars though.
     
     :blobcat2: i do war on drugs and make stupid laws like criminality based on volume of drug
     :blobfoxscience: i make stronger drug that is easier to smuggle
     :blobcat2: i complain that drugs are really strong as a reason to perpetuate my mistake
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     KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:01:51 JST KitlerIs6"

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     • Mr. Bacon
     The entire system is evil and getting exactly the result it wants, no one who doesn't acknowledge this is capable of coming up with effective political change.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:07:55 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     The last bit is true. So how does free availability lead to recovery and less addicts? Who is paying their routine bills and for their drug habit? Methadone clinics haven’t worked out so well for opiates.
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:07:57 JST The MILF Messiah

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     • Chiva
     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron drops in crime were traceable to drugs being less expensive, meaning muggings to fund drug habits fell dramatically. Fun fact, very few people are actually charged for drug use
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:12:17 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • KitlerIs6"
     I think evil in this context really means ppl that are willing to cause suffering for others if they can get ahead financially.
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     KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:12:18 JST KitlerIs6"

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     • Mr. Bacon
     It's much worse than just capitalistic or profit driven, it's actively evil and run by people who want to destroy all good.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:12:18 JST Mr. Bacon

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     This is probably going to be a hot take, but I don't like the "evil" argument because I just don't think it's accurate. When you are playing on a global level, you do what it takes to survive and the decisions you have to make are not simple ones. Like it or not cartels exist and countries exist who want kill you.
     
     You have to make deals "with the devil" so to speak for the overall survival of your society.
     
     Simply saying "the evil people in charge want to destroy good people" is a simplistic argument.
     
     "good" and "evil" are subjective and morals are a social construction, one could argue, which is perpetuated by the "evil" people to keep the population docile and not competing on a higher level.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:12:19 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Well that's the problem. People want to "believe" the "system" wants to do what's best for people and it doesn't. It does what is best for the budget.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:20:17 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Olive Palmer
     What they did is like locking up all black ppl. Of course crime will plummet.
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     Olive Palmer (parmolive@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:20:24 JST Olive Palmer

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     @taoeffect this work in el salvador didn't it? They're nearly at a full year without a single murder now.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:27:19 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     That’s… exactly what they did. The government of El Salvador declared a “state of emergency” where they “suspended” basic legal protections, and they’ve been openly condemned for human rights violations by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and other organisations.
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:27:20 JST taoeffect

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     @bot @Parmolive Except that’s not at all what they did. 🤦♂️

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     Olive Palmer (parmolive@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:27:27 JST Olive Palmer

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     @taoeffect @bot it's near enough
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:34:19 JST taoeffect

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     • Olive Palmer

     @bot @Parmolive You are being dense and clueless. They did not jail people of a specific race.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:34:19 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Right, they’re all brown and more or less the same. But it’s really no different than police rolling into black neighbourhoods and indiscriminately arresting ppl.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:34:20 JST djsumdog

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     • KitlerIs6"
     In the USSR, interrogators were assigned to make people confess. Many knew the person was actually innocent. Michael Malice was in an interview recently about his new book, and he talked about a man who refused to confess, so the guards raped his daughter in front of him. He confessed, and she later took her life anyway.
     
     I visited a museum in Moldova with an exhibit dedicated to the thousands who were taken away by the Soviets for sedition. Many never returned.
     
     In the DPRK, they likely have a slave economy. Saying anything against the party can be death for your entire family.
     
     There is real evil in this world. Some countries might "do what it takes to survive" ... you're likely better off in Russia than North Korea right now. The CCP has the Uighurs ...
     
     I don't think most people understand just how bad it has gotten, and how bad it still is, in many parts of the world.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:40:26 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     It is indiscriminate, that’s why human rights organisations are stepping in and condemning them. They’re also not all the same really, about 15% are “white” Europeans. Do you think the president looks like the average mestizo?
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     taoeffect (taoeffect@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:40:27 JST taoeffect

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     @bot @Parmolive Arresting gang members only is not “indiscriminately arresting people”. You are confusing American race relations with gang membership where race plays no role because they’re all the same race.

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     • KitlerIs6"
     @taoeffect @KitlerIs6 @bot right, they're mostly stochastic in their violence. So a policy of minimising murder in the US wouldn't target gangs so much as target black people
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     KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:45:22 JST KitlerIs6"

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     In practice would she be wrong if such policies were applied in america?
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     @KitlerIs6 @Parmolive @bot Yes because most black people are not gang members despite what the dark corners of #ActivityPub and #FreeSpeechLand would have you believe.

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     KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 12:47:50 JST KitlerIs6"

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     • Olive Palmer
     Maybe not the majority, but a third of black men are felons.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 13:04:25 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     You didn’t really answer the question. Do you think most meth addicts are able to maintain normal lives?
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 13:04:26 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron once the legality of substances is established, there is much less risk in the market for supply, and less loss through seizures. This means supply goes up and risk goes down, both of which substantially lower the price for the end consumer. This means that people in Portugal can afford to be a methhead the same way one can afford to be an alcoholic
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron the majority? Probably. Some arent able to, but meth addicts are more common than youd think
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     That’s dumb af tbh. There are “high functioning” meth addicts, but it typically slides into complete dysfunction esp because most are poor.
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 13:19:08 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron Guess why they're poor?
     
     Theyre paying huge markups on their product.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 13:19:08 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     You’re being retarded again.
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     How do the meth addicts recover from their addiction bozo? That’s the issue. Providing free and cheap meth isn’t the solution you dunce.
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron
     How?
     Meth is absolutely dirt cheap to produce if you have legal supply to product at even increased pricing.
     
     Consider telling me where the flaw in my argument is and we can continue discussing, otherwise smd
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     This doesn’t even make sense. Which meth addicts go to police for help with recovery? What’s the evidence that they actually do recover?
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron Well, thats the cool part. Portugal also is a good case study for this.
     People are less afraid to ask for help when they know they aren't going to be locked up. This means more addicts feel free to come forward and admit that they need help. Of course, some people are stuck on the drug for life, and thats an unfortunate reality, but at least they arent destroying the lives of people around them with it
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 13:36:25 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     What does “less drug use” even mean? Like police officials had less contact with drug addicts because it’s fine to be a strung out meth addict on the street?
     
     Where
     Is
     The
     Evidence
     That
     It’s
     Effective?
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron portugal saw less drug use after they de-criminalized drugs
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     braincake@noagendasocial.com's status on Friday, 12-May-2023 13:52:59 JST braincake

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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @lunarised I'd wager that a small percentage of people actually did seek out help when their issue had less of a legal stigma attached. BUT... I also suspect that number didn't move the needle in any meaningful way.

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     Wow a group funded by George Soros and his Open Society Foundations globohomo organisation is shilling legalising dangerous drugs? I’m so surprised, but I’m sure they’re objective!!!
     
     Take a look at the observations section here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight
     Lots of cool stats in here.
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     Right.. new HIV infections five times higher than the European average is “fantastic”. The number of drug related deaths being the same is “fantastic”. A doubling of lifetime use of these powerful drugs is “fantastic”. 🥴 ♿️
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     @bot @Chiva @CattleBaron @lunarised Sounds like fantastic results

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     Shut up freak.
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     How many miles do I need to run to achieve the same effect as heroin?
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     @lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Legalized drugs= regulated and taxed. Ergo higher prices, see the west coast of the US where people would rather buy cheap illegal weed.

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     Didn’t I just tell you to shut up?
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     I was just asking a question fatso.
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     True, Portugal is full of n words which are much more likely to have HIV and AIDS.
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron you understand... that HIV diagnosis isnt linear among populations?
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     Yes, if you knew what you were talking about, the “success” of the program was based on massive public subsidies for the treatment and employment programs. Which disappeared after the 2008 financial crisis.
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     @braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot Legalization != Decriminalization... 'uge difference fam
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     I guess.
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron something we agree on then?
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     What’s the data on the difference between crack, meth, and heroine users abusing and beating their children?
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     @lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot A certain portion of the population is genetically disposed to addiction of various sorts. Are they just a sad casualty in this scenario?

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     @braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot
     
     Some people are beyond salvation of their vices. The decriminalization of other substances just means that those people can have a bigger choice of vice than just drinking and beating their kids
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     Is this an abbo reference?
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     @braincake @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot the entire architecture is already there to get them addicted to the consumption and abuse of alcohol anyway.
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     @lunarised @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @bot That's pretty cavalier and/or eugenicist. If people never have trivial access to whatever thing causes their brain to trigger the spiral they can still be productive and useful people. It's trite, but that will literally tilt the odds of dooming some future genius to being a useless druggy.

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     Because we’re talking about genetic predisposition to substance abuse, and you’re a kiwi, and they literally drink petrol.
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake why would I talk about them?
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     Fact check: false. It is petrol.
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake
     
     Aboriginals come from Australia
     Maori are kiwi
     There is no shared heritage between them
     
     Also it's not petrol, it's methalated spirits, but ye. They drink that in North aussie
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake @lunarised This is why I never touch alcohol #Irish
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     I’ve always thought you were Irish actually lol.
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     Oh you’re right actually, I did say drinking and it’s mostly sniffing, but they do drink it too.
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     @bot @Chiva @taoeffect @CattleBaron @braincake maybe you're getting confused.with petrol sniffing which is also a problem
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     So ppl that live in apartments are all supposed to start and run marijuana farms? Do you know how much of a nuisance that would be?
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 00:07:32 JST djsumdog

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     Decriminalize .. but then regulate 😩
     
     You ever read Brave New World? Alcohol and Cannabis are our world's Soma. When the State regulates substances that help you escape from the reality they have created, or at least be at peace with it, you should question the benefits.
     
     I'm more in the camp of banning sale, but allowing people to grow themselves. You then become the cultivator, not the consumer.
     
     Although food/drugs/substances are a pretty small aspect of socialite cohesion and control, movies are another:
     
     https://battlepenguin.com/politics/propaganda-and-cinema/
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     @djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot I think we should decriminalize all drugs, and then legalize and regulate them.

     If something can be classified as too dangerous to deal with commercially, well, maybe exceptions should be made. I’m not an expert on fentanyl. I’ve heard it’s dangerous in very low doses, but maybe that means that it needs to be regulated in a way that manufactures address that problem if for some reason there’s still a demand after most opiates are legal.

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     You don’t need education programs, everyone already knows you shouldn’t smoke crack or inject heroin.
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     @djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot Plus, allowing sale creates a revenue stream to pay for these enhanced public education/healthcare services.

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     @djsumdog @CattleBaron @bot It is hypocritical to jail people for selling while allowing people to consume and grow it themselves. The regulation of alcohol and cigarettes in America are a huge success. Let’s do that for everything else, and combine it with a strong public education & healthcare element, while banning advertising.

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     @bot @djsumdog @CattleBaron You most definitely need education. Without education there are big problems.

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     I meant more “education” programs, that topic is already covered.
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     @bot @djsumdog @CattleBaron We do a rather poor job currently of educating people about drugs. Source: me, years of public schooling.

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     I dunno, it’s always been p obvious to me that smoking meth or crack isn’t a great idea, but I guess I’m just a wacky outlier.
     
     How much time have you spent contemplating the pros and cons of smoking crack?
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     Pain go away? It’s always been presented to me as something that will ruin your life, which is accurate.
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     We tell our suicidal and depressed kids that there's a substance that makes the pain go away but might kill them and then get surprised they take it.
     
     The issue is not lack of education it's the fact that we put children in environments that drive them crazy.
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     >That answer is easily searchable. Many people who have dedicated their lives to the study of the drug war have answered that question better than I can here with 250 characters.
     All those people are retards who either want to do drugs or want to inundate our society with druggos because they hate us.
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