Seasons of Jason
Why do we still live in a world where I can't independently configure my laptop display and external monitor's scaling (100% and 150% respectively) in #Linux? Or is this just an Ubuntu/Kubuntu problem?
Under X11 both displays sync their scaling settings (awful experience when you have a 4K panel). And with Wayland both displays end up blurry, even after a reboot.
I'm using the HP Dev One.
Are there easy workarounds or should I finally make the permanent switch to #fedora?
Seasons of Jason
@10leej AND it has dynamic tiling? Oh myyyyyy.
Joshua Lee :fedora:
@killyourfm Use Hyprland, its the only wayland compositor I found that can do that.
Seasons of Jason
@10leej "distros like Pop!_OS, Ubuntu, etc. might have major issues running Hyprland."
Seasons of Jason
@elsemusic Stunning, considering how much older the kernel is. This begs the question: is this a display driver problem, or a distro problem?
elsemusic
@killyourfm I'm a Mint user and I don't have this issue.
Seasons of Jason
@ainmosni That does solve it, thank you!
Buuuuuuuut Wayland isn't saving the configuration between reboots. Sheesh.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
@killyourfm I'm thinking a bit, and I think what's happening is that maybe most of your apps run under xwayland in wayland and you have XWayland set to scale "by the system", as that'll look blurry.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
@killyourfm This works fine on Fedora's KDE spin running Wayland.
Seasons of Jason
@eliasp Indeed it does! Unfortunately it's not saving that configuration between reboots. I don't know why, but I think I've lost the will to constantly troubleshoot problems on Ubuntu.
Elias Probst
@killyourfm works per display on #KDEPlasma 5.27.3 (Wayland):
Seasons of Jason
@portaloffreedom That was a really helpful explainer, Dek. Thanks for that.
I did get it working properly, but it won't save the config between reboots. I'm going to install the Fedora KDE Spin and see if I get better results.
Dr. Dek 👨🚀🐧🚀 )
@killyourfm
So, x11 has only one screen, and fakes multiple screens making a big one. So it only allows for one type of scaling.
Wayland does allow independent scaling but not fractional scaling (yet), but KDE works around it by rendering at 200% and then scaling it back.
That said, I have it working exactly like you want: KDE Wayland screen 1440p 100% + 4k 150%
The only windows that didn't scale were the XWayland windows, which KDE fixed in the latest release.
Seasons of Jason
@LatinCanuck about half the time.
Eric Nicholls
@killyourfm I thought you were already on Fedora.
Joshua Lee :fedora:
@killyourfm Well Fedora has a copr repo which is main tained by Carl George
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/carlwgeorge/hyprland/
Seasons of Jason
@10leej of course it does. This might be yet another reason to permanently switch.
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Justin :fedora: :kdenew:
@killyourfm @eliasp Fedora is wonderful, come on over, we have 🍪!
Seasons of Jason
@oac They do have some secret sauce that has always played nicely with ANY hardware I throw PopOS on.
I *should* use PopOS on the HP Dev One, shouldn't I? It's just that I really love the Plasma desktop.
Oliver Calder :ubuntu:
@killyourfm You're right about the blurry though... PopOS handles heterogeneous scaling excellently (on X11) without blur, I want whatever they've got (excited for new Wayland Cosmic desktop though)
Oliver Calder :ubuntu:
@killyourfm Do you have experimental scale-monitor-framebuffer turned on? Having this on made heterogenous scaling with Wayland on Ubuntu and Fedora just work for me
Seasons of Jason
An update on this: I installed the #Fedora 38 KDE spin and this problem went away. It just worked.
On the first boot, the default display settings already had my external 4K and built-in laptop display scaled independently.
No blurriness. Everything is super crisp. Settings are retained after a reboot.
Still not sure what's going on with Ubuntu/Kubuntu regarding this issue, but I'm SUPER happy that Fedora seems to solve it.
ONWARD!
Bald Polnareff Art
@killyourfm I have a 4K monitor and two 1080p ones, I know the struggle lol
Although my opinion doesn't count, I'm one of those crazy people who like 100% scaling at 4K
Seasons of Jason
@baldpolnareffart HAHAHA yea my eyes are too old for that.
Seasons of Jason
@ainmosni suggested it could be their experience with Wayland informing those tweaks. Makes sense to me. @TrechNex
Bobby Moss
@killyourfm good stuff! The latest releases for both distros have the same kernel version (6.2), so it sounds like they have made some distro-specific choices that affect compatibility.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
@killyourfm @TrechNex Fedora is quite progressive compared to other non-rolling distros. They were the first mainstream distro on wayland, systemd, pipewire, and more. It's why I quite enjoy the distro, as it does seem to lead where desktop linux goes.
Seasons of Jason
@sesivany @ainmosni This kind of mentality really makes Fedora appealing to me.
Jiří Eischmann :fedora:
@ainmosni @killyourfm it's most likely this. Fedora was first to switch GNOME to Wayland by default and it was first to switch KDE Plasma to Wayland by default, too. When something is your default experience you care about it much more. I think Fedora is still benefiting from it.
I remember when people complained about issues with Wayland in Debian or Ubuntu I was simply not experiencing in Fedora. Back then it was putting Wayland in bad light while it was not really its fault.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
@killyourfm I think it's because Fedora went all in on Wayland as early as possible, so they have more experience configuring it all properly.
Seasons of Jason
@liamdv4 Pretty effortless, Liam! I just needed to enable some additional repos for stuff like Steam. But it feels comfortable, and I'm finding the dual monitor support much better.
Liam Ward
@killyourfm in general, other than fixing that annoying display issues, how did you find switching from #Ubuntu to #Fedora?
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