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   Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:00:04 JST Steven 🥖

   I will not post about the Philosophy Tube drama. I will not post about the Philosophy Tube drama. I will not...

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 04:59:50 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     When someone’s beliefs about themselves are detached from reality, we typically label that a disorder.
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     Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 04:59:57 JST Steven 🥖

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     @fcktheworld587 The whole point is that the DSM is wrong. Wanting to physically fit in with your gender isn't disordered. It's the norm.

     Imagine a cis man goes to his GP, upset because a hormonal imbalance (too much E, not enough T) was causing him to grow boobs.

     Should that GP send him to a psychiatrist or an endocrinologist first?

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     Chumchum Tumtum (fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 04:59:59 JST Chumchum Tumtum

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     @steven gender dysphoria is a psychiatric disorder, as described in the DSM-V. What is it about this disorder, which causes you to say that it is not a primarily psychiatric disorder?

     https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK577212/table/pediat_transgender.T.dsm5_criteria_for_g/

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     Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:00:00 JST Steven 🥖

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     @fcktheworld587 I have nothing against psychologists catching potential psychiatric (or other) disorders and referring to somebody qualified to diagnose and treat them.

     Gender dysphoria is not primarily a psychiatric disorder.

     Nobody would want to prevent you from getting bipolar treatment from your GP or seeing a psychiatrist because you hadn't gotten a psychologist's approval first.

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     Chumchum Tumtum (fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:00:01 JST Chumchum Tumtum

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     @steven while I see the argument you're making, and I can understand the confusion, psych disorders are not so simple. I had a psychologist be the first person to detect my bipolar, who recommended I go to a gp, who referred me to a psychiatrist.

     When it comes to psych disorders, sometimes they can be explained, and/or treated, through endocrinology, in which case an endocrinology ref makes sense

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     Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:00:03 JST Steven 🥖

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     "Gender dysphoria" is a very strange name for an endocrine disorder.

     It's very strange to require a psychologist's referral for treatment of an endocrine disorder, given that psychologists are not medical doctors and it's an entirely different area of expertise.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:02:32 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     That’s not true. There are ppl with gender dysphoria and AGP that are not “trans”.
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     Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:02:33 JST Steven 🥖

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     @fcktheworld587 I read the criteria. I know the criteria. I think the criteria are bad.

     Gender Dysphoria, as defined in the DSM, is a disorder you can (by definition) only have if you're trans. Like how you could only have female hysteria if you were a woman, or only have "sexual orientation disturbance" if you were gay.

     (1/2)

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     Chumchum Tumtum (fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:02:34 JST Chumchum Tumtum

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     @steven again, all of this is answered, or the answers are very easily derived from the information contained in, the link I provided, earlier.

     This describes the psychiatric disorder of Gender Dysphoria, which is defined through one's gender experience and gender expression, in relation to one's sex assigned at birth.

     Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're trying to communicate, here

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     Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:02:35 JST Steven 🥖

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     @fcktheworld587 The DSM doesn't actually do any work here, if you believe trans women are women and trans men are men. It just describes them being trans, which everybody already knows.

     But if you don't, then setting up a different diagnosis and set of treatments for cis and trans people doesn't make sense.

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     Steven 🥖 (steven@zeroes.ca)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:02:36 JST Steven 🥖

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     @fcktheworld587 Right. The cis man who is upset about growing boobs does not meet the DSM criteria because he's cis.

     A trans teens, experiencing the exact same symptoms (they are upset because they are starting to grow boobs because they have too much estrogen and not enough testosterone), does meet the criteria.

     But they both have the same fundamental problem, with the same treatment.

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     Chumchum Tumtum (fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:02:38 JST Chumchum Tumtum

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     @steven reading literally the first sentence from the link I sent you would provide an answer to the hypothetical situation you proposed

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     book (book@sneed.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Mar-2023 05:05:46 JST book

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     @fcktheworld587 @steven
     >which is defined through one's gender experience and gender expression
     How do you define something using undetectable ephemera
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