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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:12 JST Chris Trottier

   WHOA!

   I just realized that Discourse is joining the Fediverse!

   This is huge news!

   https://meta.discourse.org/t/federation-support-for-discourse/90921/87

   @fediversenews

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     flesh roots :debian: ? (fleshroots@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:09 JST flesh roots :debian: ?

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     • Jupiter Rowland

     @jupiter_rowland
     Didn't they say much of their spec will be based on Lemmy?
     @fediversenews

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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:10 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     @Chris Trottier I expect this to introduce yet another forum/group standard to the Fediverse in addition to the several incompatible standards we already have.
     
     #Guppe has its own standard which is created around #Mastodon and Mastodon only.
     #Friendica has its own standard.
     #Hubzilla and #Streams have their own common standard.
     #Lemmy has its own standard.
     
     And now #Discourse will most likely create an entirely new ActivityPub-based forum standard from scratch, disregarding any compatibility to the projects mentioned above. I wouldn't be surprised if the Discourse devs didn't know there's more to the Fediverse than just Mastodon, that there are already forum standards. Either that, or they know, and they can't decide which one to adhere to, so they make a new one from scratch. Or they simply can't make Discourse compatible to any one existing standard, and they're forced to make a new one.
     
     Just to illustrate the problem: Hubzilla is technically a fork of Friendica. Both have forums which are nothing but regular accounts/channels with special rights settings. But Hubzilla's backend was largely rewritten, and internally, Hubzilla uses an entirely different protocol than Friendica. Before #ActivityPub came around, Friendica and Hubzilla used the #Diaspora protocol to federate, so much different are they.
     
     @Fediverse News is a forum on Friendica. Hubzilla, however, doesn't recognise threads from Fediverse News as such. Each post shows up separately as an individual, stand-alone post on my stream, cluttering it. I have to look up the sources (which almost always lead me to Mastodon) to be able to see them in threads.
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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:12 JST Chris Trottier

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     @fediversenews Just in case you don't know what Discourse is, here's the Wikipedia article on it:

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_(software)

     This is going to be *huge* for group functionality adoption in the Fediverse!

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     flesh roots :debian: ? (fleshroots@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:16 JST flesh roots :debian: ?

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     • Aswath Rao
     • ??????

     @aswath
     It's an off-by-default timeline setting but it's there.
     @RxBrad @atomicpoet @fediversenews

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     Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:17 JST Aswath Rao

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     @RxBrad @atomicpoet @fediversenews I am on the flagship instances in both the cases.Each acct can follow each other. Book reviews or posts don't appear in the other. But DMs do.
     What are your experiences?

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     ?????? (rxbrad@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:17 JST ??????

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     • Aswath Rao

     @aswath @atomicpoet @fediversenews I've never done any DMs in any of the apps, so I guess that explains it. I was thinking book status updates would show up on my Mastodon feed or something if I followed a Bookwyrm user from Mastodon.

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     Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:17 JST Aswath Rao

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     @RxBrad @atomicpoet @fediversenews At least for now plain text posts from Mastodon don't appear in Pixelfed. But that is the nature of federation the way it is done in AP

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     ?????? (rxbrad@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:18 JST ??????

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     @atomicpoet @fediversenews What exactly does it mean when a non-Mastodon-type app "joins the Fediverse". I joined Bookwyrm after seeing a similar statement. How it links to "the Fediverse" doesn't really make sense to me.

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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:34 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     • flesh roots :debian: ?
     @flesh roots :debian: ? If that was the case, and if they kept their eyes on Lemmy and ported changes in Lemmy to Discourse, that'd mean much less trouble. We'd still have the limited functionality, but at least we'd be alerted on our timelines/streams about new threads to look up, all without unnecessary masses of compatibility hackery code. And the Discourse devs wouldn't have to develop everything from scratch.
     
     ActivityPub introducing more specific common standards for groups/forums would help a great deal, too.
     
     I expect Friendica forums to be more compatible with Hubzilla soon (this runs over ActivityPub, too), so the islands may actually be joining.
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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:35:41 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     • Jupiter Rowland

     @jupiter_rowland @fediversenews

     How do services like #lemmy and #discourse federate with #Mastodon? For example, my #instance has a 1000 character limit. Does that mean the #server rejects any federated posts that it receives over that limit? Would it be able to work with such services?

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     Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:04 JST Aswath Rao

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     • flesh roots :debian: ?
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     @fleshroots @RxBrad @atomicpoet @fediversenews yes that is what i was told. i changed the setting, but still no dice (in my instance). Apparently version mismatch, which proves my point.

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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:13 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     @Stark If it did, then #Lemmy would be the only project in the #Fediverse whose posts #Mastodon rejects or truncates if they go over an instance's character limit.
     
     Longer posts are known to get through from all other known projects, so I wouldn't worry about that.
     
     And #Discourse won't federate entire threads with all posts into the Fediverse, nor will you be able to participate in a thread on Discourse from Mastodon. It'll only announce new threads, i.e. what you'll get is the thread title with a link to the thread. If you want to join the discussion, you'll have to visit the forum itself.