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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Feb-2023 10:31:11 JST Sexy Moon
   did i read a thread where someone seriously said they were going to stop doing climate activism where it required using a car at any point
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Feb-2023 10:31:08 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tost periodic reminder that both the cartoon and its edit make a correct point just about different people
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Feb-2023 10:31:09 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tost just sad that someone actually fell for "yet you participate in capitalism--curious!"
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     Tosti ? (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Feb-2023 10:31:09 JST Tosti ?

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     @Moon@shitposter.club oh for sure
     really the left is chock full of brainworms like that
     and if I was a counter-revolutionary trying to fragment and render the left unable to do anything, I would maximally take advantage of that
     which explains a couple of things now, doesn't it? :^)
     thus, it means, ignoring such bait is praxis

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     Tosti ? (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Feb-2023 10:31:10 JST Tosti ?

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     @Moon@shitposter.club one cool thing about europe (or at least france) is you legitimately do not need a car for almost anything
     it can be nice to have for sure, and Hélène and I are planning to get a license at some point (and then like a tiny electric 2 seat one), but you really just... don't need one at all
     while even in montreal it's uh, strongly recommended

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:26:49 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon yup, rms of climate activism.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:26:50 JST clacke

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     @lanodan @Moon if it's rms, then it's fine as long as someone else is driving and paying for the fuel
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:30 JST clacke

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     @tost @Moon are you saying rms is a plant?
     
     counterevidence: doesn't like plants
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:31 JST clacke

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     countercounterevidence: takes one to know one
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:32 JST Sexy Moon

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     @pawlicker @xianc78 @splitshockvirus @lanodan generating motive force through eletricity generated by power plants is substantially more clean than shipping gas all over the world and then blowing it up in a million small engines
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     pawlicker (pawlicker@outpoa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:33 JST pawlicker

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     An insider I know said it best; it's just moving the wealth and profits from ExxonMobil and BP to Tesla and battery companies like BYD.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:34 JST xianc78

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     @splitshockvirus @lanodan @Moon There is nothing consistent about climate activism.

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     :apa: スプリットショックウイルス † (splitshockvirus@mstdn.starnix.network)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:35 JST :apa: スプリットショックウイルス †

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     @lanodan @Moon

     Based, keep your morals consistent.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:36 JST clacke

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     @lanodan @xianc78 @splitshockvirus @Moon It really isn't about "less energy on my side". Even with the current US electricity mix the power plants are cleaner than the ICE.
     
     And then you improve the power plants for further gains.
     
     EVs really are better.
     
     But reusing an old car, any type, instead of manufacturing a new one, is better still.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:27:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @xianc78 @splitshockvirus @Moon I think electric-centric energy is the worst and people really ought to do the whole Math rather than just "But it eats less energy on my side!".
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:20 JST clacke

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     @lanodan @tomey @xianc78 @splitshockvirus @Moon Yes.
     
     Headline: Yay we got energy return above one, breakthrough!
     
     Reality: Unless you count the whole system, in which case it's more like < 5%. (conservative from memory, could have been even less)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @tomey @xianc78 @splitshockvirus @Moon Is that the one where if you actually do the whole count (laser beams not being normal energy for example), you barely get more energy out?
     
     My point being that it's cool to see progress, but we're not there yet.
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     ™️¥ (tomey@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:24 JST ™️¥

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     @lanodan @xianc78 @splitshockvirus @Moon LLNL achieved just a couple months ago. They got back about 3.5 megajoules from fusion after hitting it with 2 megajoules of laser beam energy. https://www.llnl.gov/news/national-ignition-facility-achieves-fusion-ignition
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     :apa: スプリットショックウイルス † (splitshockvirus@mstdn.starnix.network)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:25 JST :apa: スプリットショックウイルス †

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     @xianc78 @lanodan @Moon

     If the same people advocated the construction nuclear power plants, I honestly would not have a problem with people blockading highways and city streets.

     If climate change is unironically an existential threat then the solution could have been built 60 years ago, and could be built now in 1-2 decades. After which you can take all the time you need to build a renewable future with whatever fancy Unobtainium battery you want. But i'm more convinced we will see a profitable fusion reactor before the world moves to renewables both of which are unlikely.

     tl;dr I'm doing more for the environment by running you over with my f-150 than you are by building your pin wheel power plants.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:25 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @splitshockvirus @xianc78 @Moon AFAIK fusion reactors have yet to meaningfully produce more energy than they consumed, it's cool to see research on them but I wouldn't believe much in them until proven.
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     :apa: スプリットショックウイルス † (splitshockvirus@mstdn.starnix.network)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:34 JST :apa: スプリットショックウイルス †

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     @clacke @lanodan @Moon @xianc78

     I'm not against renewables, but there is a clear bias AGAINST nuclear as it is just never brought up as a solution, because nuclear waste is scary and Pripyat is scary.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:35 JST clacke

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     @splitshockvirus @lanodan @xianc78 @Moon Build solar. Build wind. Build nuclear. We're gonna need them all.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Paulo @xianc78 @clacke @splitshockvirus @Moon There's actually some villages in the Zone, or at least there was.
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samosely
     
     But I wouldn't say that Pripyat, as in the the city and it's buildings are safe, there is radioactivity in it, you'd have to be consistently careful.
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     paulo (paulo@marsey.moe)'s status on Saturday, 18-Feb-2023 15:28:40 JST paulo

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     @splitshockvirus @clacke @lanodan @Moon @xianc78 it's specially funny because pripyat is absolutely safe (well with the war maybe not), even the water around there is safe
     the only reason people don't live there is because of fearmongering