Notices by Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) (tokyo_0@mas.to), page 3

@fbievan And while perhaps they didn't very specifically say that wouldn't happen, I'm just so sick of this "yeah, yeah it's a great platform in all these ways (except from these very evident design flaws we don't tell you about and carefully word around to never explicitly mention, and don't fix, and never talk about)" nonsense. There are so many things that are not as they should be. Even the "block domain" option on the standard Mastodon web interface doesn't actually block the domain.

@fbievan It's under Settings > Public profile > Privacy and reach > Search

They've changed the wording around it since I set it. I'm pretty sure it used to just say about allowing your content (in general) to be indexed, and in practice on your own Mastodon instance I believe that is what it does. None of my posts show up from my own instance in engines like Google.

But they do on other instances.

Wonder how many #Mastodon users know when they set their account not to be indexed by search engines, that setting is ignored by other #Fediverse platforms.

How is it acceptable that there's no joined up protocol or consensus to protect users' posts in this basic way, or even to communicate clearly on settings pages about what is and is not exposed to search engines?

How come I can't share a post that can be found within the Fediverse (via hashtags) without it being made public outside of it?

@trumpet Ok, thanks for looking at it. I'll let you know if it keeps happening.

@trumpet It may be a problem that's too big for mas.to to solve, but it's still a problem. What's the point of having settings to stop posts from being search indexed on the open web if a big chunk of #fediverse instances don't respect that? My understanding is that well-managed instances are supposed to choose not to federate with instances that do that. Mas.to is well-managed, and I think this issue is bigger than one instance. There needs to be a conversation about it.

#MastoAdmin #MastoDev

@trumpet In Google? I was searching before for "tokyo_0@mas.to". The mentions are either people's posts. Those will be indexed or not indexed according to their settings, so there's nothing I can do about that. Looking again today I can see a couple of Misskey instances that have done the same as GNUSocial—that's something I hadn't seen before, and I don't think it means the GNUSocial issue isn't a problem, I think it means all these search results are a problem. 🤔

Zero days since I was reminded #Threads is a cesspit.

@todwest Hmmm, maybe people playing with AI 🤔

@swelljoe Interesting! That does make sense. Folks with mortgages will just end up paying more interest, I'd have thought, but maybe not enough more that it outweighs the other benefits? 🤔

@steven I am genuinely curious and too lazy to Google as it's 6am and I woke up and can't get back to sleep again.

So what's going on with the flurry of accounts on india.goonj.xyz recently that are presented as people but which post a ridiculous volume of photos to the Mastodon Indians group list and hashtags? No one genuine takes or posts that many pictures and they seem totally random and unrelated, too. 🤔

Why is 2% inflation supposed to be a good thing, anyway?

@gamambel @jeffowski You had opportunities to do all those things already. You spent those opportunities doing something else instead. That was your choice. The world doesn't owe you repeated opportunities. No one owes you their time or engagement — that sense of entitlement is misplaced. People are within their rights to choose whether they engage with you. Goodbye. 👋

@gamambel @jeffowski I don't think you're in danger of that here. But I do think we're done, for good. I reached out to you because I appreciated the valuable insights you'd shared in the past and thought you were someone who would understand some basic ideas that are important to me. You've shown me you are not. Thanks for taking the time to do that. But this is a boundary—please respect it. All the best. 👋

@drupler It's not logic, it's rhetoric. Power decides the truth now. 😞

@gamambel @jeffowski There are some other things I need to do, so I think it would be best if we conclude our conversation here.

@gamambel @jeffowski I never said anything about being offended myself. What I said (here👉https://mas.to/@tokyo_0/112664812257064797, 3 hours ago) was that it was an offensive and unhelpful over-generalisation.

It's clear expressing an idea like that is going to cause a significant number of people offence. Whether the author accurately communicated their own ideas is their responsibility. It's a very straightforward statement. I don't think any "reading into it" is necessary to recognise that it's contentious.

@gamambel @jeffowski Yeah, that's just not how communication works, though. We don't get to make statements we know might offend people and then when they're offended come back with "well actually I didn't mean the generally understood meaning of those words when I said that thing" and then take up hours of people's time schooling them on our own personal definition of the world. I mean, you can try. But I don't think it'll work out well for you.

@gamambel @jeffowski Ok, well personally I think the way you're going about it will probably prove to be a net loss for you overall, because you're approaching the debate in a way that is going to damage your relationships with the people you're having that debate with. But I wish you all the best with having these kinds of debates you say are so important to you, with other people.

@gamambel @jeffowski Well I wanted to bring it to your attention, because in the past you'd shared some psychology materials I found particularly helpful and seeing that you'd boosted that idea seemed very much at odds with the impression I had of you as someone who was interested in people's wellbeing. And rather than just hit the "unfollow" button when I saw it, I thought it was worth having a conversation with you first to see if some shared understanding could be found.