Notices by L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ (mabande@mastodon.social)

@thanius One issue there is that some of the desperately needed features (or in some cases near on bug fix suggestions) have been declined for hazy to illogical reasons, so no matter how much cash I throw at masto devs they won't be implemented cause they just don't wanna.

@aral I'm kinda impressed with the angle there: bluesky, funded by millions in VC cash and with a dedicated pr staff has after three years reached the same numbers as the fedi, funded by the mental health of enthusiasts, and that's a fantastic success?

Maybe it could be interesting to report on that bsky's cost per user this far is way above one dollar, fedi's is a fraction of that.

@thanius [polisröst] Vadå amfetamin? Jag ser inget amfetamin. Har du amfetamin?! VAR ÄR AMFETAMINET!?!?!? HIT ME'RE!!

"…och är nu väldigt pigg och har fått jättemycket gjort"

@hakan_geijer When gun discourse comes up I'm reminded of the attack on Hypercacher in '15, where one of the employees actually got hold of a gun, but couldn't use it and got murdered (I think the first reports said the safety was on).
I'm not sure he'd lived if he'd had gun training, but I'm sure he'd had a better chance.

@TheOneSwit *taps mic*
Hello? Is this thing on?
No snappy comeback about how habituating normies to nazi imagery and dog whistles is a Good Thing, achually?
Or did you realize that @jeffowski was not in the clear here?

@TheOneSwit @l This is less of a "a right-winger used this template for meme once," and more of an "a literal nazi created the cartoon @jeffowski used as a meme template" situation.

@TheOneSwit Yes, nazis have made a lot of things. Like assult rifles. And it used to be encouraged to use assault rifles on nazis.

Problem is that if you take [comics made by nazis to spread nazism into the general population] and "co-opt them by saying something different", the main effect won't be changing minds about whether nazis are good or bad, but making people less likely to identify nazi propaganda: "That can't be nazi shit, I saw @jeffowski use it and he's not a nazi."

@TheOneSwit @jeffowski Very few know its nazi origins, and you didn't until this thread.
Problem is that the author didn't just make this single comic, but has been prolific in churning out his racist vile shit, in his style (eg you would recognize any one of his other comics as similar to the one jeff used).
So now we've got a situation where Jeff introduces the art style of a nazi as an anti-theocratic / antifascist element, making it harder for us to push back on nazi shit.
"it's just a meme"

@TheOneSwit @jeffowski … Yes, Lovecraft was racist, and there's no need to burn his books, but you have to realize some of his stuff can't be "co-opted" into something positive no matter how much you love them.

@TheOneSwit Yes, and in this case it's when @jeffowski (and you) instead of just acknowledging that it's not the best thing to use nazi memes tries to silence the commenter(s) by attacking/disparaging.

It's not a bad thing that people get to know about and learn how to identify propaganda, so if this thread goes viral it would be pretty gosh darn sweet, bucko.

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@TheOneSwit Yes, I've told people to not use twitter for some years now. Your point being?

Also, this thread isn't about nazis co-opting stuff. It's about @jeffowski claiming to co-opt nazi stuff.
The stonetoss comic Jeff used is literally nazi propaganda he claims to co-opt by putting cutesy labels on it.
How is this not registering with you?

@TheOneSwit @jeffowski Okay, so you're just dumb as a post.
Cheers 'n' ciao.

@jeffowski @lavaeolus Could you point to a single example where co-opting nazi propaganda imagery have ever worked?

Ridiculing it out of existence? Yes, at times.

@jeffowski I'm with @lavaeolus here. When I saw the post I went "isn't that…?" and yes, it was.
Also, Peanut and Pepe are examples of fascists appropriating "neutral" things, not antifascists neutralizing or (successfully) converting fascist memes (even though Pepe's creator had some success in fighting back).
Use memes to your heart's delight, but when you use some nazi shit you will get pushback.

@bombadil Thank you for reminding me of me favorite DOS related joke:

"The idea of paying close attention to the humanity of Palestinian lives is untenable [for the] hegemony of Euro-American news channels and ideologies."
https://africasacountry.com/2024/10/writers-for-a-new-world

@thanius Är glad att din syrra fanns där och kunde ingripa, men ursinnig att hon behövde.
Vet inte om jag känner någon i en farlig relation, men känner en som känner en som känner en, så jag ska visa det här så min kontakt kanske fattar allvaret och trycker på sin kompis att snacka med sin.

They say jump, you say "how high?"

"Tänk om påsen med grönsaker som kastades mot utrikesministern varit en handgranat?!"
- Ja, tänk - då hade hon kanske befunnit sig på flykt i Gaza.