Notices by ity [unit X-69] - VIOLENT FUCK (ity@estradiol.city)

@datenwolf @neal @dalias @miah no modern X11 app will transmit draw commands over X11 forwarding, and will behave basically the same as waypipe.

@datenwolf @neal @dalias @miah whilst network transparency and designing apps around that is nice (it's what I'm working on, though I'm also trying to go away with writing UI in terms of how it looks on a regular modern screen and make things more user I/O agnostic), sometimes reality gets in the way.

Why does my gf hate me...

@SuperDicq Basically all of the things that cannot be done to Discord also cannot be done to, say, Signal, because despite the Signal client being open source, it's a centralized platform. So whether something is open source or not doesn't exactly matter that much in this case.

@SuperDicq Source? You should be able to trivially strip any dependencies on proprietary Google stuff if it is, say, FCM or other Play Services garbage.

There's also 3rd party reimplementations of the client for both Discord and Signal

@SuperDicq also, re: i915 & xe, if you write a software job scheduler instead of using GuC like the current code does, Intel GPUs can run entirely blobless. Nobody tests this though, so you might hit hardware bugs. Same for Mali.

@SuperDicq Am I misreading the script or are you deleting the entirety of the i915 & xe drivers because they reference blobs from the linux-firmware project

> You can if do it if you really want to, that's the point. Can't do it with proprietary software, it's not allowed.

At projects of this scale, the difference between proprietary software and open-source software blurs. There's no such thing as "not allowed". There's only "it's illegal", which is a question of "is what I'm doing gonna annoy $COMPANY enough that they'll spend a lot of money suing me" rather than a binary "yes/no". But maybe this is a mindset I have from being primarily a hacker & activist x3

To be entirely clear, I go to pretty big lengths to avoid running proprietary blobs. But that's because of the practicality of debugging & modifying with access to source code. Software being free/open source will not prevent whoever runs it from fucking me over (see eg. Firefox, and unwanted stuff slipping thru LibreWolf, Visual Studio Code and unwanted stuff slipping thru VSCodium (I had to hand-write patches myself)), but will make it easier to fight back. However, someone still has to do the *work* of doing the fighting, and sometimes it's a lost battle (eg. catching malware when upstream is actively malicious),

The reason why I named xz was to show that just because something is open source, doesn't automatically protect it from getting malware snuck into. Someone has to do the work to find it and remove it.

Which is what is my entire point is: Something being open source does not automatically make it respect the user. All it means is that it's usually easier to fight certain forms of anti-user behavior. I want explicitly multi-national open source software, because if all of upstream & the BDFL of a project are aligned with Nazis, if the project is too big, they can and will fuck over the users, even if the project is open source. You need to find a large enough group to do the actual work. Work that often can be done on proprietary software, and is done on proprietary software (see eg. Discord mods to remove or fix a lot of the anti-user code).

So, the deciding factor is not whether the software is open source or not, but rather how organized is upstream, how forkable is the project if it's open source, how many eyes are watching it, is there any group maintaining patchsets...

@SuperDicq Linux-Libre is a softfork from what I remember:

you can maintain softforks.

Which, yea, that's doable. I've been curious about what specifically Linux-Libre is removing since I didn't stumble on any blobs yet (but that doesn't mean there aren't any, I just wasn't looking that particularly hard)

Doubt you go thru every commit though, which sidesteps the entire issue I was mentioning.

If upstream decides to do something, like, say, dropping support for an architecture which you use, your work will get progressively harder and harder to maintain good support for the architecture in a fork.

Malware can be sneaked into the codebase (see eg. xz), even if it's open source, esp. easier if upstream is on-board with it. How would you protect against malware sneaking in in a softfork?

@SuperDicq do you have the resources to maintain a fork of Linux? Go thru each and every commit? Maintain enough knowledge of all subsystems and drivers to avoid letting anything bad slip thru? I sure don't, and I'm a Linux kernel developer. The thing is huge.

Now consider the effort needed to do that to all components of a running Linux system.

Thing is, just because a thing is open source doesn't mean they don't have any power over you. They have a lot of power. It's just slightly easier to fight back against antifeatures, or make forks of smaller software that went bad.

@SuperDicq you can maintain softforks. Hard forks of things like Linux are practically impossible, the drivers are half the time written & maintained with knowledge under NDAs. The thing is full of security holes that are constantly being found and patched in a way that often only fixes a vulnerability if you apply the correct set of previous patches.

@SuperDicq

it doesn't matter where in the world free software is made, because it is always ethical and has no power over its users.

that's untrue. Software which has a BDFL that has aligned itself with Nazis (like Linux) is just as unsafe to use. They intentionally control who can contribute & ban contributors for political reasons, can intentionally leave security vulns open, create new ones...

@cwebber which one :neobot_woozy:

Common Lisp
ELisp
Clojure
Hy
Fennel
Chez
Racket
Guile

(Lisps this one has touched in some shape or form, though mostly Guile, Fennel, and Clojure)

@cwebber just find a Lisp that compiles into or runs on top of your favorite language

@49016 did that one ever interact with any of their community chats, or their official fedi

They are not even covert about it, but if the screenshot of them being transpbobic or the threads of them harassing and attempting to doxx this one are really necessary this one will go dig them up when it has time

This one would never trust a project that does not understand the concept of "threat modeling" to design something secure.

@druid asking fedi to join Discord, and adding "no porn" on top? Adding a "you know what I mean" there? Go to somewhere other than fedi for that tbh, way too neurotypical for most of the entities here.

@djsumdog well, I chose to leave the flat that's technically speaking my legal "home" because it caused me to have a suicide attempt

@evan where's the "none of them" option

@dalias @Doomed_Daniel technically speaking packaging Firefox that way is against the Firefox license lol

Mozilla tried to sue Debian over it ages ago, that's how we got Iceweasel, then they realized it's stupid and Iceweasel got abandoned, but the license was never changed and they can always do a stupid

@Doomed_Daniel @dalias packaging Firefox is still against the license (to be exact, the trademark license). Mozilla just isn't dumb enough to enforce it.

@hellomiakoda @scriptkiddie I really need to look into ZigBee

My phone runs Android, gotta switch to my own OTA servers tho, and build it from source with my own patches on top of LineageOS

Technically speaking I still use YouTube, tho it's only thru yt-dlp or NewPipe now. And the search engine.

I never got to use Windows for more than like a month at a time; it was too difficult for me, and I pretty much just installed Linux on everything like a year after I got a computer (I got a computer when I was 11)

No smart home stuff yet, wanna get HA working someday tho. I was against all IoT stuff till recently due to doing cybersec, but I am willing to give it a try. Assuming I can't figure out how to make the things explode themselves remotely with zero authentication within a day

I think I tried WhatsApp briefly when I was like 14 but had no use for it so I ditched it