Notices by Pelle Wessman (voxpelli@mastodon.social)

@rasterweb Finally! On that other topic: Ehat made you pick Codeberg over eg SourceHut or selfhosting?

@dansup @evan There’s actually existed such a one: Flattr integrated with the Fediverse before the term Fediverse existed (implemented OStatus) and eg. experimented with an identity graph crawler to make easier claiming of content: https://voxpelli.com/2012/10/relspider-what-why/

@tchambers RSS readers, podcast players, read it later services etc all need some kind of standardized OpenID Connect based flow to authorize access to content and/or some DRM style encryption to ensure the content can only be consumed by authorized clients

For ActivityPub I guess they make use of the follow request feature for access control? But for good UX they would probably want clients to be able to show that it’s paid for content in some way?

@tchambers How do they make that work? If I pay and get a unique RSS url, then I can share that RSS url with you?

There needs to be a way to authenticate oneself from within the podcast client so that one can add it as one of X allowed clients for one’s subscription

(This is why we never launched paid podcasts when I worked at a newspaper ≈5 years ago)

What standards are they proposing for all this?

@tchambers Why? Not sure paywalls solve much? (And that comes from someone who long promoted the rel-payment microformat and built web extensions etc supporting it)

Conway’s law states that a system design will mimic its organization structure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law

What happens when a project moves from a being a byproduct of collaboration and dog fooding to become its own purpose?

Will they lose the very character that gave open source projects the magic that they wield?

Will they become yet another product made with money as its purpose rather than being built as part of real world use cases?

Important aspect when we strive to make OSS sustainable

Conway's law applied to open source projects is an interesting exercise when they become professionalized:

They go from collaborative dog fooding that solves the needs of the individual contributors – the producers and consumers are one – “prosumers”

Instead they become projects that’s maintained for someone else – the prosumer and the dog fooding is replaced with customers, users and producers (some consumers donate, “customers”, others simply use it, “users”)

Does sustainable open source means more professional maintainers or does it mean more paid time for maintenance?

I think the true revolution comes when every developer is encouraged and empowered to collaborate with the wider world.

We need the contribution of the masses, not the professionalisation of the few.

@pfefferle @evan @manton Not sure if those Open Source projects that are referred to are projects like Mastodon and WordPress or projects done by smaller independent developers that don’t have dedicated people working in standards groups etc

@evan @manton Why picking a name that indicates that it’s something more than that then?

And what went wrong with the plurality of tech in the Social WG? Maybe there’s an FAQ that puts this new foundation in its historical context and explains why it needed to be different?

@evan @manton Also: Any non-companies involved or is this an organization to push commercial adoption or are also independent developers like @manton (and eg. me) relevant to it? I mostly see big company logos?

@manton I’m a bit insulted that it seems to be exclusively ActivityPub tech, I like the Social WG that preceded it and which also standardized MicroPub, Webmention, WebSub

ActivityPub is important and interoperability is important – but this foundation seems to consider it as the one tech to rule all the social?

I’m not so keen on that

Very true words from https://github.com/rspeer/wordfreq/blob/master/SUNSET.md

@tchambers But is it ActivityPub that doesn’t support it or just Mastodon?

If the entire ecosystem is “held hostage” because Mastodon doesn’t like quotes, then that’s bad?

@tchambers @pfefferle @snarfed.org @evan I know that eg Ivory shows quoted posts, but it’s purely presentational, in the post itself it’s embedded just like any hyperlink, not as part of the activity and as such eg no mention notifications

Has any non-Mastodon #ActivityPub platform implemented “Quote RT:s”? So that the original poster gets notified when someone quotes them?

/cc @pfefferle, @snarfed.org, @evan

@pfefferle @talksina @lordmatt As a standard #Webmention is merely a notification mechanism that A has mentioned B – they can be blog posts, social interactions or whatever else

The #IndieWeb stack of tech is much more granular than the #ActivityPub one – so the definition of A and B is left as an exercise to the user of it

But maybe you're talking about a WordPress plugin specifically?

@pfefferle Is it different to share to the Fediverse than to share elsewhere? 😅

@phocks What now?

I think we still have it okay here in Sweden, the apartment rent is not market regulated but regulated by the standard and location of the apartment

@pfefferle It’s a bit disappointing that instead of being a link to a acct: URL which one can look up with WebFinger to discover ActivityPub endpoint etc with it’s something that looks almost proprietary in its nature