Notices by Pelle Wessman (voxpelli@mastodon.social), page 2

@tchambers @dave @adam Is there a way in ActivityPub where content from multiple different sources can be marked as being one and the same?

Like what rel-canonical does on a web page?

@pfefferle @evan @snarfed.org Made a note for when I get around to give it some love: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/202

@pfefferle @evan @snarfed.org Anywhere I can read about how to use it on eg my Webmention endpoint?

@pfefferle @jerome @torspedia @viticci @evan It’s a bit of a catch 22 I think, if there are no services to plug into it then why build support for it? And why build support for it if you can’t plug it in?

I would be happy to plug it into my Webmention endpoint, maybe @snarfed.org would be happy to plug it into some parts of Bridgy?

(A downside in some OSS-projects, not sure if in Mastodon as well, is that they refuse to add support for such mechanisms unless they are usable out of the box)

@jerome @torspedia @viticci As flawed as eg. email is and can be dealt with in similar ways

Remember talking to eg @evan about this and I did an initial extraction of his old Akismet-style filter for activity spam: https://github.com/voxpelli/activityspam-filter

(@pfefferle: Do you know if Automattic has any plans on making Akismet usable with Mastodon?)

Ran into an offended tourist today – offended that the coffee shop didn’t accept his lump of money

The cash free society here in Sweden is a shock to many foreigners

It’s rare to find a place that accepts cash here nowadays

@evan @joshbetz It does have connection pooling: https://undici.nodejs.org/#/docs/api/Pool

@evan You are probably better off using undici directly rather than going through the built in copy of it

And to use its non-fetch variant

You know you have been in the decentralized/federated social web movement a long time when the tags for it in your feed reader and bookmarks organizer is “diso” and “openstack” instead of “fediverse” or “IndieWeb”

@tchambers Not sure how relevant an activity oriented protocol like #ActivityPub would be for e-commerce sites.

Real time broadcasting through #WebSub + semantic markup like #hProduct / #relPayment = distributed storefront, then ActivityPub to share your purchases?

I also think schema.org already has semantics for this that eg Google digest for its e-commerce search?

@tchambers Federated store front would be doable, federated payment would be harder (though possibly doable as well)

There has been some work on #hProduct in the #indieweb / #microformat space, which may be reusable: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-product

And also #relPayment: https://indieweb.org/payment

@tchambers Makes me think of this decade old post of mine 😅 https://voxpelli.com/2012/10/why-federate-just-the-social-web/ One new thing that has emerged since then is @Interledger.

But, whenever money gets involved laws gets stricter and money laundry protections makes it less of a tech issue and more of a regulatory issue

Such laws eg shaped much of how Flattr was designed and could operate

@renchap @JoshuaKGoldberg Yeah, this is the closest that I know of as well, but haven’t really seen anyone who have used it

@pfefferle I can imagine 😅 Awesome work on everything!

@maffeis There it’s even hard to know whether you are shopping from Amazon or not as they own so many of the competitors as well

@maffeis Or just refrain from buying from Amazon all together 😌

@maffeis @ia Would be neat for eg @manton if someone were to create a Micropub / Microsub to Mastodon API bridge and likewise for client creators of someone were to create a Mastodon API to Micropub / Microsub bridge.

@maffeis I like how the #IndieWeb is approaching this with #MicroPub and #MicroSub:

* https://indieweb.org/Micropub
* https://indieweb.org/Microsub

Clients can chose to implement one or both of those.

A typical social media app would implement both.

An app that’s meant only for authoring posts picks just MicroPub and an app that’s simply meant for consumption picks just MicroSub.

I find the #Fediverse / #Mastodon focus on #ActivityPub as the one and only API to be a bit lackluster in that regard.

@maffeis #ActivityPub is for federation whereas #micropub and #microsub are for interacting with your instance, so they are not really exclusive though.

Micropub is already supported by tools like micro.blog, @ia Writer and such.

Not sure if anyone has implemented it on top of an ActivityPub backend though.

#Webmention, #WebSub and #Microformats would be the more direct #IndieWeb “competitor” to ActivityPub, but eg @snarfed.org and @pfefferle are both showing that the two can be bridged

@djlink @Migueldeicaza Up next: Start making commonplace to share same laptop and phone hardware between work and private and to build software solutions to avoid impacting work-life balance.

If we can remove the need for a huge chunk of duplicate phone/computer hardware that would be a win for nature and more