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Ingo Lantschner (ilanti@nerdica.net)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 04:33:10 JST 
Ingo Lantschner
@hypolite @Hypolite Petovan It's not about tone. Your message and the one I quoted send completely different messages:
Your pictures may be not that funny if you can't describe them
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Please consider describing them anyway, because blind people may have a different perspective than you have.
Even without the "please", the second message would be more substantial, more communicative and less arogant than the first.
It is now up to you to decide how you want to communicate further. For my part, I would like you to refrain from unsolicited "wise advice", for example. -
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Ingo Lantschner (ilanti@nerdica.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 22:32:28 JST
Ingo Lantschner
@hypolite @Hypolite Petovan What I'm saying is that you don't make arguments, but moralise and judge: "your jokes aren't that funny", "your comparisons show bad taste", "your comments sound privileged" are, at least in my understanding, not arguments, but rather speeches of a priest or a governess. I have no problem with priests and governesses - they are honourable professions - but I am surprised to find them in this discussion, and this after you have accused others of having no arguments. Does that really fit together?
But maybe we have a misunderstanding of language or culture here. Because in the end we come to the same conclusion that alt-texts are helpful even for "funny pictures".
Perhaps I should clarify what an argument is in my sense:just remember that just because a joke loses all its fun to you if it is explained, that does not mean others will all feel the same. We've gotten used to finding descriptions of visual jokes sufficiently amusing;
(copied from the above comment by @Mayana)And here we see clearly what are the advantaged of an argument: it picks up the discussant, addresses his arguments and enables him to change his point of view. Telling him that his jokes are not funny will not achieve that. -
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Ingo Lantschner (ilanti@nerdica.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 04:36:32 JST
Ingo Lantschner
@hypolite @guilevi @shahaan @bright_helpings @lienrag @KAOS This sounds like a moral lecture from someone who has run out of arguments. As we all know, there are jokes that do not translate well, if at all, into other languages. There is a word joke and also a "picture joke" - even if this term is not familiar. Musicians entertain themselves with funny melodies - which I don't even begin to understand. I would never think of accusing them of excluding me. To accuse someone of excluding others because their messages are not universally transferable is nonsensical and would ultimately lead to an impoverishment of all cultures.
That said, I would like to see alt-text added to images that are difficult to describe. Even at the risk of the joke not being understood.
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