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@freemo @scottsantens Oh, so you are paying a universal basic income and providing shelter.

Well look at you, you are actually a UBI advocate!

@freemo @scottsantens So people have to work and not be able to rest in order to get afford the rest they need.

Am I getting through, yet?

@freemo @scottsantens More to the point, it is implicit that you would stop monies if someone didn't train, or didn't do what you told them to do.

You ARE advocating a system that WOULD KILL.

@freemo @scottsantens

"If thats what you need then thats why I include psychiatry int he list of things that one may need to do instead of job training. if a licensed therapist says you need it I dont mind that help being provided, but its too easilya bused otherwise."

Right there, you provide conditions for your welfare, which are unacceptable.

What do you do if an individual says "I need rest"? How can the therapist determine that? WHY SHOULD SOMEONE NEED PERMISSION?

@freemo @scottsantens BS. When are you going to get it through your head that isn't enough work and jobs are disappearing and vacancies are oversubscribed? Qualifications don't help if there's no job to go into.
And some people prefer their own businesses. UBI enables that.

@freemo @scottsantens

"Costs more per person, short term. Costs less long-term as it actually solves the problem and thus doesn’t require and infinite firehouse of money lasting forever into the future."

DUH, these bureacracies are what we have now, and you are still advocating starvation to people who fall outside your parameters, which are set by Gov, which depends on its politics.

Do you know the stats for people the UK Gov have killed with your methodology?

@freemo @scottsantens

"Disagree, giving people money absolutely is nanny stuff. "

The state is supposed to be looking after everyone. Your definition means everything it does is nanny state stuff. Your definition is naff.

"Right, like taking their money at gun point "

Silly response

It''s OUR money. Where do you think Gov money comes from? And BTW, cost is not an issue for most Govs because they can create as much as they like.

@freemo @scottsantens You'd have a massively pedantic, bureaucratic and MORE COSTLY system than just giving people money.

There's no abusing that, no unnecessary oversight, let adults be adults. At the very least, they are better placed to be consumers, helping money cycle, instead of being faced with starvation, as your inhumane system would have it.

@freemo @scottsantens Giving people money to make their OWN choices is not nanny stuff - forcing YOUR POV on them is.

Ineffective? Go read. There are NUMEROUS studies showing the effectiveness of a UBI. This claim is fatuous and without foundation.

Your evidence is all in your head.

As for psychiatry? Seriously?

Poor skills? BS. SNOB! THERE AREN'T ENOUGH JOBS FOR EVERYONE & JOBS ARE DIMINISHING.

PEOPLE IN WORK ARE IN POVERTY BECAUSE OF LOW PAY!

YOU BLAME PEOPLE FOR THAT?

Get in the sea.

@freemo @scottsantens Rubbish. This is nanny-state stuff. The best tool IS money. The best person to decide their needs and priorities is the person themselves - see homeless people that were given UBI.

Your claims might apply *only* to the few with mental health/incapacity issues. Not people in general.

And job training for what? Whatever you say?

People should have the choice to engage in that or not. Some people might actually need time away to recharge or address their own wellbeing.

@chris I'm not an American, but I thought you were all "government of the people, by the people, for the people". Isn't taking care of the people what Gov is for? Perhaps 'old' Americans have lost sight of that.
What takes care of people better than giving them enough money to live on? Cut the bureaucracy of other welfare and enable people to learn, to invest in their education, training, business ideas, or effectively be paid to look after family and home, like many women do now, but unpaid.

@chris Some people can't swim. Do they just drown? Many moons ago (it just seems like it) I queried your stance on UBI. I am afraid that I don't think I can discuss this with you because you are so immersed into your American conservative capitalist system, you cannot see beyond it, and that you may have done well out of it, but others never could. I'm bowing out.

@chris And yet I constantly hear Americans complain about issues that a UBI would solve.
I often come across this inflation argument, but it is a logical fallacy based on right wing propaganda, from people who see how UBI would benefit society. Trials of UBI show negligible inflation. Everyone gets it and spends it or invests it. There is no leftover disposable income for the 'super secret cabal that controls everything' to raise prices on. So inflation doesn't happen as you might think.

@CloudyMrs @CatHerder @tartanroots Like that ambitious Chain of Freedom thing, hailed as a success, but was not fully attended, leaving gaps, which could be exploited by the opposition propaganda and dismissed.
To 'us' a success. To the opposition, an opportunity to disparage. What was it to the neutral or undecided?

@CloudyMrs @CatHerder @tartanroots For me, that Chain of Freedom thing was the first time that we couldn't just post photos and say Unionist claims were not true, because it was all about the line. Any gaps meant it was a fail and you can't respond and say the gaps were not there. They were.