@sim@genmaicha May I remind you that Ukraine is in the same position as most of eastern Europe after the fall of the iron curtain, and that EU and NATO was used effectively to support democratisation and anti-corruption efforts in these countries? The pro-democracy forces in Ukraine has literally chosen to die in the streets and fields to protect these same efforts at home. It’s kind of weird to believe that they won’t succeed where their neighbours did.
@sim@genmaicha Yeah, I think you’re missing the point. If corruption caused this war, it’s the corruption in the Kremlin, that saw a democratising neighbor threaten their mafia-like tentacles.
Don’t confuse this issue with half-cooked conspiracy theories.
@sim@genmaicha Again, thinking there's a lot of bad stuff going on, doesn't really justify letting a brutal dictatorship occupy a democratizing neighbour.
@sim@genmaicha If you think the US is "doing the same thing” as Russia in this case, there’s no point in having this discussion. That’s either batshit crazy or deeply dishonest.
@Moon I disagree. In fact, I think they are far more likely to win than lose at this point.
But that’s not really the point though, the point is that they’ve chosen to fight, and it’s kind of arrogant for us to pretend to "save" them by essentially handing them to the Russians. Also it’s nuts, from a self-interestedly security perspective, given Russia’s current and historic policies in Europe.
@Moon Plenty of ukrainians have suited up and jumped in. Whether I love it or not, isn’t relevant. The question is if you support people fighting for their freedom against a brutal dictatorship, or if you think you know better than them, and rather leave them to their fate.