This is a document I made using a real world example of a windfarm I worked on. It breaks down the costs vs energy generation. It would apply pretty accurately to any windfarm.
@Sophistifunk@GettingCooked@Bunnyslope@Johncdvorak The wholesale power price is the price all the ABC types use to argue that power prices are falling with more renewables. But the wholesale price is of little interest to the consumer. The retail price continues to go up and all that is caused by is greed.
@Sophistifunk@GettingCooked@Bunnyslope@Johncdvorak Exactly, the subsidies are so enormous that the construction shareholders basically get a free windfarm, that they then get to sell to whoever they like. All funded by the tax payer. The average Windfarm job is subsidiesed to the tune of about 90k per employee also.
Wow, more misinformation from John on this episode re- Wind Turbines than I have heard in a long time. About 90% of what was said is just plain wrong. The woman speaking was pretty much spot on. But the notion that "the wind cannot make the turbines spin from a standing start" Please, that is just completely wrong and after being involved in the construction of 6 windfarms, I have enough knowledge to just sit here cringing at most of what was said. Very disappointing.
@GettingCooked@Bunnyslope@Johncdvorak Not exactly. The blades connected to the hub can turn as soon as they are properly installed. Generally when we install the hub and blades, they are locked until many other stages are complete. But the turbine does not require power for the blades to spin, or to start them turning. There may be models of turbine I am not familiar with that do it way, but I have never seen or heard of them.
@Bunnyslope@GettingCooked@Johncdvorak I get triggered by the details. This topic particularly I have had people screaming at me with these same myths, the whole time I was in the industry. We had a model with an electronic "kiosk" at the base of the tower. Locals managed to convince themselves they were diesel generators that kept the turbine spinning when there was no wind. Le sigh...
@GettingCooked@Bunnyslope@Johncdvorak This was the "boots on the ground" I sent a few months ago, right on JC's birthday. I am happy to repeat the numbers, but it would take too many posts so I put it in a PDF, I would just have to find it on my laptop lol. In short "hosed" is not the word. The MW return on investment is beyond pathetic. Musselroe Windfarm for example 300ish Million for effectively about 20MW of power. The math is not complicated but I am long winded in explaining it.
@GettingCooked@Bunnyslope@Johncdvorak In Australia the grid is about 10GWH hours oversupplied. So using excess wind and solar, of which there is a LOT! to pump water up to elevations, then letting it gravity down pipes through a hydro turbine would be like making giant batteries. The engineering inefficiency of pumping up then running out is an argument, but the alternative is wind and solar being built, then not being used at all. Which is the current status quo.
I guess the reason I am triggered is. There is so much wrong with wind power, you don't need guesswork and BS to debunk it as an energy source and you just hand the climate alarmist ammunition by doing so.
@Sophistifunk Jordan Peterson summed it up. Basically when the alternative messaging for young white men paints them as "problematic" and tries to convince them they have no value. Any alternative message, no matter how crude or unworthy is going to appeal.
@ned@Ozzy Yeah I have had so many comments deleted from his page because I have pointed this out. He tries so hard and I really like his efforts. But the senior pubic servants expect him to make basic errors and he usually does not disappoint. Which just allows them to dismiss the things he actually gets right. It is too important to be bungled.
@Ozzy His heart is in the right place. But he bungles so many speeches, gets so much stuff wrong. Most of the time he is undermining the cause. The other day he read out a bunch of stats from a study to the TGA head (Skerrit) then when Skerrit said "what study is that" Roberts was... "umm not sure". Skerrit said "no worries I know which one it is and I have a copy here". Yet again making him look like a tool. He needs to do a lot better.
The Tasmanian Labor Party just sent out a flyer claiming LIB policy has raised energy prices and that if LAB was in power we would have cheap hydro.
FACT: Federal LAB was responsible for adding wholesale price incentives for "green" energy sold into the national grid. Since then TAS has exported almost all its wind and solar power at a profit and run the state on coal and gas power imported through the cable to the mainland.
@ned@SirPaulCouture Good point. I actually stopped following the pool boy because he spent at least 12 months doing nothing but videos saying "civil war imminent" which in my book is no different to the MSM.
@SirPaulCouture@ned Totally agree. The deep state in pretty much every Western nation is doing all it can to criminalize non left thinking and discourse by equating it with violence and domestic terrorism.
Interestingly the transition from pre-decimal (pounds and pennies) to decimal (dollars and cents) in Australia was a 2 year transition period from 1966, during which time both currencies were legal.
Combine this with the experiment of the last few years that provided Aboriginal welfare recipients with a card that could only be used for "essentials". You have everything in place in Australia for a switch to digital currency and consumption micro management. All tested for years in advance.