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   Chefs Catch (chefscatch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:45 JST Chefs Catch

   Wow, more misinformation from John on this episode re- Wind Turbines than I have heard in a long time. About 90% of what was said is just plain wrong. The woman speaking was pretty much spot on. But the notion that "the wind cannot make the turbines spin from a standing start" Please, that is just completely wrong and after being involved in the construction of 6 windfarms, I have enough knowledge to just sit here cringing at most of what was said. Very disappointing.

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     Chefs Catch (chefscatch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:39 JST Chefs Catch

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     • GettingCooked

     @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak In Australia the grid is about 10GWH hours oversupplied. So using excess wind and solar, of which there is a LOT! to pump water up to elevations, then letting it gravity down pipes through a hydro turbine would be like making giant batteries. The engineering inefficiency of pumping up then running out is an argument, but the alternative is wind and solar being built, then not being used at all. Which is the current status quo.

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     Sir Funk ?? (sophistifunk@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:39 JST Sir Funk ??

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     • GettingCooked

     @ChefsCatch @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak of course, they’re only really being built for green brownie points with the uneducated public, so they’ve served their purpose.

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     Chefs Catch (chefscatch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:40 JST Chefs Catch

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     • GettingCooked

     @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak This was the "boots on the ground" I sent a few months ago, right on JC's birthday. I am happy to repeat the numbers, but it would take too many posts so I put it in a PDF, I would just have to find it on my laptop lol. In short "hosed" is not the word. The MW return on investment is beyond pathetic. Musselroe Windfarm for example 300ish Million for effectively about 20MW of power. The math is not complicated but I am long winded in explaining it.

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     gettingcooked@noagendasocial.com's status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:40 JST GettingCooked

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     @ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Okay. What about the intermittent availability of wind? If it were to be 'viable', or palatable, wouldn't it be best blended with some sort of grid-tied massive battery storage tthat can be turned on when needed? Just spit-balling here. Plus, I'm a dude named Ludd who mostly posts pics of his dinner, and such...

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     gettingcooked@noagendasocial.com's status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:41 JST GettingCooked

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     @ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak What about the financial numbers mentioned? Sounds like the citizens are getting hosed, no? Relative to the input the turbines add to the grid...

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     gettingcooked@noagendasocial.com's status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:42 JST GettingCooked

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     • John C Dvorak

     @ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak My understanding was in what I heard uttered this morning.

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     Bunnyslope (bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:42 JST Bunnyslope

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     @GettingCooked @ChefsCatch @Johncdvorak
     We have to deconstruct the deconstructors?

     https://noagendasocial.com/@ChefsCatch/110907557191863252

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     Chefs Catch (chefscatch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:42 JST Chefs Catch

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     • GettingCooked

     @Bunnyslope @GettingCooked @Johncdvorak I get triggered by the details. This topic particularly I have had people screaming at me with these same myths, the whole time I was in the industry. We had a model with an electronic "kiosk" at the base of the tower. Locals managed to convince themselves they were diesel generators that kept the turbine spinning when there was no wind. Le sigh...

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     Bunnyslope (bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:44 JST Bunnyslope

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     @Johncdvorak ⬆️
     Plus lots of links.

     @ChefsCatch

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     gettingcooked@noagendasocial.com's status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:44 JST GettingCooked

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     @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak @ChefsCatch My understanding was the turbines require grid power to spool up, and then the wind takes things from there.

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     Chefs Catch (chefscatch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:31:44 JST Chefs Catch

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     • GettingCooked

     @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Not exactly. The blades connected to the hub can turn as soon as they are properly installed. Generally when we install the hub and blades, they are locked until many other stages are complete. But the turbine does not require power for the blades to spin, or to start them turning. There may be models of turbine I am not familiar with that do it way, but I have never seen or heard of them.

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     Chefs Catch (chefscatch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:33:11 JST Chefs Catch

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     • GettingCooked

     @Sophistifunk @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Exactly, the subsidies are so enormous that the construction shareholders basically get a free windfarm, that they then get to sell to whoever they like. All funded by the tax payer. The average Windfarm job is subsidiesed to the tune of about 90k per employee also.

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     gettingcooked@noagendasocial.com's status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:33:45 JST GettingCooked

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     • John C Dvorak

     @Sophistifunk @ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Porpoise? What the hell do dolphins have to do with this?

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     Chefs Catch (chefscatch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 14:34:40 JST Chefs Catch

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     @Sophistifunk @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak The wholesale power price is the price all the ABC types use to argue that power prices are falling with more renewables. But the wholesale price is of little interest to the consumer. The retail price continues to go up and all that is caused by is greed.