Notices by Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe), page 5
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 17:16:55 JST 
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The Fairphone 5 is pretty tempting. And I probably would've gotten one if I didn't buy a Pixel 6a this spring -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:38:32 JST
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@wolf480pl @pony just street view it bro -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:38:12 JST
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@ignaloidas @wolf480pl Grid operators were forced to have a separate nighttime price to incentivize charging EVs overnight. But that's about it and it's barely lower (0.4991 NOK/kWh daytime vs 0.4535 NOK/kWh nighttime)
My bill was 325 NOK flat fee because I used 2-5 kWh peak, and around 200 NOK of actual usage. -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:38:11 JST
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@ignaloidas @wolf480pl The solution is pretty retarded.
If anything it means someone like me can happily consume in higher peaks, as long as I don't exceed 5 kWh during three of the hours it makes no friggin difference. -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:38:08 JST
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@ignaloidas @wolf480pl Oh it gets stupider too. The next step up is 5-10.
And to make things even stupider, the price for companies is LOWER. Don't know how they came to that decision, but the majority of the grid cost is put on people's homes, while companies with a 100 kW plasma burner pay lower peak fees. -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:29:48 JST
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@wolf480pl @pony here's the hydroelectric plants that Google Maps knows about in my area -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:29:01 JST
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@pony @wolf480pl It makes sense for me that people living in more rural areas might have to pay a bit more for the grid, due to the higher cable to people ratio.
What I don't get is why I who live alone has to pay the same "usage fee" as a small family.
The fact that I pay a bit more per kWh is fine. -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:29:00 JST
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@pony @wolf480pl In reality the actual electricity price is lower though. While I live in one of the most rural areas of Norway, I also live in one of the highest producing regions.
This has been a controversy for even longer. We produce the most electricity and our electricity has to travel "shorter" than the rest of the country, yet the consumers here have some of the highest grid fees in the country as well.
That's a separate and older issue from the new pricing structure though -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:28:59 JST
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@pony @wolf480pl Heck, I used to live only about 500m from my grid operator's HQ ffs -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:28:57 JST
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@wolf480pl @pony I live within an hour's drive of like 15 hydroelectric power plants afaik -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:28:56 JST
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@wolf480pl @pony And that's an hour of 60 km/h on twisty Norwegian roads, no highways around here -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:25:11 JST
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@pony @wolf480pl No it's really because Norway's grid is embarrassingly underspecced at times.
Rather comically during the winter energy crisis, Norway was plenty of electricity in the north. But the grid from north to south was too shit to transfer it down. So they had to sell energy to Sweden in the north, then buy it back from Sweden at a higher price down south (to essentially "rent" sweden's grid). -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:23:35 JST
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@pony @wolf480pl The problem isn't charging for peak usage.
The people who drain like 12 kWh in one hour should get gouged for it.
The problem is how my grid operator calculates it and that they chose a wide ass range like 2 - 5 kWh. This allows them to both charge a fat fee from each household.
And if someone complains about the price, they can blame the consumer instead by simply replying "all you have to do is use less than 2 kWh peak" (which is practically impossible for 99% of homes) -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:23:32 JST
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@wolf480pl @pony They take your usage for every single hour of the month, sort them from high to low, then average the top three hours of the month. -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:23:31 JST
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@wolf480pl @pony So far this month my highest hour is 00:00 - 01:00 on 04.10.23
(I guess I was unlucky and my water heater turned on with bad timing or something? I was probably well nested in bed by that time since it was a wednesday) -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:23:29 JST
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@pony @wolf480pl Same with second highest. Middle of the night.
Probably just bad luck making my fridge and water heater kick in at the same time or something. -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:19:23 JST
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The reason is because Norway fucked their energy transfer fees. You used to pay per kWh (which was annoying enough)
But now you also pay for your 99th percentile peak.
In theory this was supposed to incentivize people to spread out their energy use by charging their electric cars overnight and such.
In practice it means a guy like me who lives alone ends up paying the same base fee as a family of four simply because I turn my stove on once a day to make dinner. Or because I take a shower before bed.
Of the 536,43kr fee, 325kr is because my peak usage is 2 - 5 kWh during one hour. Which is a stupidly huge range. The issue is that having a monthly peak usage below 2 kWh is basically impossible if you want to be a regular human and take a shower once a day.
Since every time you take a shower, your water heater probably turns on for an hour, after which you automatically game over and have to pay the same fee as a small family. -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Oct-2023 00:18:05 JST
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Ah yes, classic Norway.
~8 EUR of actual electricity costs.
Still have to pay ~46 EUR in "grid fees" -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 18:56:31 JST
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@jonossaseuraava @kaia I only recently became aware of Wise being available in Norway (I think they launched here around February).
I've wanted a multi-currency and digital card thing for ages. They just haven't really been around in Norway.
I went for Wise because their fee structure is simpler than Revolut (who apparently are also in Norway)
But which one of them is actually "best" i have no idea.
Wise gives you the card for free if you use a referral link though -
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Quad (quad@akko.quad.moe)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 18:56:29 JST
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@jonossaseuraava @kaia As far as I can tell others are more like credit cards, they have all kinds of weird rewards and monthly plan tiers and crap. none of which I care about, I just want to hold currencies and pay with them.
And that's what Wise does, you pay once to get the card (which is also free if you're referred) and then you do your thing.
The only other fee seems to be ~0.5% for conversions and like 25 cents if doing top-ups via a debit card rather than from your bank account.
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