@radmin @david then you have startups like framework that actually tried to make new hardware (system76 was just relabelling random chinese factory slop) but they're simultaneously too expensive for consumers and unattractive to businesses.

i spoke to a business who passed them over because the lead time is long and the warranties were too short, they ended up going with lenovo because they offer 5-years. i think frameworks longest is like 3, and it still takes months to get one. also framework won't add the nipple even though the thonkpad community has been begging them to. or mechanical keebs, even though kailh made that possible ages ago.

frameworks like the only new blood we have and they're kind of shitting the bed slowly, otherwise its really old blue chip corps that are kinda just sitting on their thumbs (everyone basically already has a desktop pc so we're really just selling replacements at this point)