@griffith @Dudebro @WilhelmIII @DemonSixOne @PraxisOfEvil @Hoss @Nudhul Let us not pretend to ignore that the Soviet Union put the first satellite into space, the first man, and the first space station, as well as other great scientific and engineering accomplishments. How much of this was in spite of the system and the product of the best Russian minds let loose or the system in some way helping out to an extent is debatable. Communism is an unachievable fantasy; but the idea that communism literally turns everyone into a starving dirt farmer the moment anyone starts waving a red flag around is ridiculous.