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   Dudebro (dudebro@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:25:14 JST Dudebro

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   Its funny when the Ming Dynasty sans eunuchs is one of the best government models I could possibly envision.
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     @wgiwf @griffith @Dudebro @WilhelmIII @DemonSixOne @PraxisOfEvil @Hoss @Nudhul > but the idea that communism literally turns everyone into a starving dirt farmer the moment anyone starts waving a red flag around is ridiculous.
     That idea comes from the fact that the only actual communist state to ever exist was under Pol Pot, russia wasn't really communist it was more socialism on materialistic fused steroids
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     Mallard (mallard@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:25:15 JST Mallard

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     Your thinking of a technocracy with an added focus on techno-utopianism
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     @griffith @Dudebro @WilhelmIII @DemonSixOne @PraxisOfEvil @Hoss @Nudhul Let us not pretend to ignore that the Soviet Union put the first satellite into space, the first man, and the first space station, as well as other great scientific and engineering accomplishments. How much of this was in spite of the system and the product of the best Russian minds let loose or the system in some way helping out to an extent is debatable. Communism is an unachievable fantasy; but the idea that communism literally turns everyone into a starving dirt farmer the moment anyone starts waving a red flag around is ridiculous.
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     Griffith (griffith@0.5dollah.click)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:25:17 JST Griffith

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     @Hoss @Nudhul @DemonSixOne @PraxisOfEvil @Dudebro @wgiwf @WilhelmIII I can respect communism because it seemed like an enormous source of energy. How much of what bosses and owners do is unproductive? We’re all familiar with that reality. Let the workers run the shop. Will they really do a worse job? Think about innovation. Flight was invented by two guys in a bike shop. You think a worker run paradise couldn’t replicate that? If you let people do what they’re gonna do, and give them some resources to do it, in a lot of ways that’s the American venture capitalist scene right? Even if a bunch of companies fail, you still get enough wild successes to balance it out.
     I could see how back then it seemed like you had a bunch of smart, productive people working 12 hour days in the coal mine for what are essentially rent seeking shareholders that just wanted another yacht. If you could free those people who knows what they could accomplish? Goodness knows they at least know how a coal mine runs for Pete’s sake.