@J @amerika @une @7666 @arcana @toiletpaper I just remember noticing a lot of small things when I started digging into old apocryphal books, like I am sure you're familiar with stories relating to fallen angels and the watchers and just the general weird stories about early creation that arent retained at all in contemporary christianity. and specifially related to ritual, which I can't go into fully, regular christianity has no good story for why lucifer rebelled but early christianity talked about it a lot and mormon interpretation as presented only in sacred ritual is similar.