@creamqueen @cajax @anemone @mia i think if the kid is intelligent enough to decide what to and not to do, what is reasonable and what is clearly not, that's the best option. like some things were unreasonable and I'd just refuse or take the punishment to show I'm not budging because I disagree, because to me it's clearly unreasonable. and sometimes, one case I can remember, it was just a humiliation. and I refused to be humiliated, even my dad was like "I'm proud of you for not doing that"