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maybe these two different arguments have something in common after all
if you're depending on the government to maintain useful infrastructure, you're gonna have a bad time
likewise, if you're depending on them to maintain a stable financial system and play by the rules set for retirement accounts decades ago with only minor variations, you're gonna have a bad time