@yockeypuck @WoodshopHandman @Solbera @weaf @dictatordave @Shadowman311 @feralphilosophernc @shedinja @Eiregoat @ForbiddenDreamer yeah, I just don't want to associate with it.

its pretty fucking gay enough these days to see why I wouldn't. I give old, decent examples, benchmarks, but that in no way indicates true fandom of a thing.

Socratean,"I know enough to say I know nothing", but in terms of fandom. I can't exactly say yeah, I am, then just automatically give the most obvious answers. nobody likes a pretender, better to know where you stand with someone.