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@nicholas_saunders @2ndStar @HistoPol @jeff

Russia started this war. And did so with the express purpose of eliminating Ukraine. How exactly do you negotiate with that?

If not for Russia there would be no talk right now of Ukraine joining NATO. Ukraine has a right of self defense, and while I don't think nato troops should be involved right now, I do think that ukraine should be admitted immediately and every weapon that can be passed to them by nato allies, should be.