@Nelenese @tk

>For buses, of course, as they use the same method as cars with roads. But not with trains. Trains are isolated into a insular railroad network only used by other trains.

Trains can't run everywhere. It's too cost prohibitive if things are too dense. Cars allow people to avoide density.

>Every single city before the existence of the mass-produced car with numerous evidence back to roman, greek or baylonian times.

Yes, didn't have the freedom people have now... unless you take into account that well off people could afford horses.

>If you're talking about after, there was pressure on european cities to adopt america's can-centric view

But those cities weren't created from scratch.

>Absolutely not. The U.S is designed by arbitrary strict building code that is lobbied by various interest groups to keep things as inefficient and distant for their own interests.

The building codes are for safety. You are thinking of zoning, which makes sure someone does build a 24/7 factory next to your house.

>Roads that are exceedingly unnecessarily long are made to force consumers to buy a car along with dozens of chain restaurants to the side to purposefully entice consumers to habitually buy something they wouldn't have otherwise.

You seem upset that people have dining option other than what overpriced crap they have to get that is within walking distance.

>Have you every noticed that the average suburbs has no private small business stores?

Whatever are you talking about?

>You WILL go to your corporate lobbied big store, you WILL bulk buy food and necessity like the world's ending and you WILL either come up short or too much because no one can plan their foods a month ahead (nor should they).

Nothing is stopping mom n' pop shops. There are plenty in many suburbs and non-dense cities.

>No, I guarantee you that if, given the option, literally almost everyone would rather live in nice and beautiful walk able neighborhood (pic 1) to get bread and cheese by walking down the block rather than wait 30 minutes in soul-crushing traffic (pic 2).

Yet planned communities usually have stores close enough to bicycle to, but the insulation from commercial and manufacturing that people desire. They would rather be able to drive with their kids to a grocery store, pick up what they need for the week and then be able to drop off one kid at soccer practice and then pick up another from music lessons in one easy trip... rather than be forced to cart around heavy groceries every day while taking care of multiple kids.

>Then I walk farther. If I can't walk then I can bike. If I can't bike than I can use the tram. If I can't tram I'll use the train, which is the end-all-be-all for almost everyone.

Unless they want to go father or where the tram doesn't go.

>Then I can use a thing called a "Bag" or a bike with a bag on it. Crazy stuff.

Do you have any idea how many groceries a medium or large family goes through each week?