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>For buses, of course, as they use the same method as cars with roads. But not with trains. Trains are isolated into a insular railroad network only used by other trains.
Trains can't run everywhere. It's too cost prohibitive if things are too dense. Cars allow people to avoide density.
>Every single city before the existence of the mass-produced car with numerous evidence back to roman, greek or baylonian times.
Yes, didn't have the freedom people have now... unless you take into account that well off people could afford horses.
>If you're talking about after, there was pressure on european cities to adopt america's can-centric view
But those cities weren't created from scratch.
>Absolutely not. The U.S is designed by arbitrary strict building code that is lobbied by various interest groups to keep things as inefficient and distant for their own interests.
The building codes are for safety. You are thinking of zoning, which makes sure someone does build a 24/7 factory next to your house.
>Roads that are exceedingly unnecessarily long are made to force consumers to buy a car along with dozens of chain restaurants to the side to purposefully entice consumers to habitually buy something they wouldn't have otherwise.
You seem upset that people have dining option other than what overpriced crap they have to get that is within walking distance.
>Have you every noticed that the average suburbs has no private small business stores?
Whatever are you talking about?
>You WILL go to your corporate lobbied big store, you WILL bulk buy food and necessity like the world's ending and you WILL either come up short or too much because no one can plan their foods a month ahead (nor should they).
Nothing is stopping mom n' pop shops. There are plenty in many suburbs and non-dense cities.
>No, I guarantee you that if, given the option, literally almost everyone would rather live in nice and beautiful walk able neighborhood (pic 1) to get bread and cheese by walking down the block rather than wait 30 minutes in soul-crushing traffic (pic 2).
Yet planned communities usually have stores close enough to bicycle to, but the insulation from commercial and manufacturing that people desire. They would rather be able to drive with their kids to a grocery store, pick up what they need for the week and then be able to drop off one kid at soccer practice and then pick up another from music lessons in one easy trip... rather than be forced to cart around heavy groceries every day while taking care of multiple kids.
>Then I walk farther. If I can't walk then I can bike. If I can't bike than I can use the tram. If I can't tram I'll use the train, which is the end-all-be-all for almost everyone.
Unless they want to go father or where the tram doesn't go.
>Then I can use a thing called a "Bag" or a bike with a bag on it. Crazy stuff.
Do you have any idea how many groceries a medium or large family goes through each week?
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>And public transportation has its own problems with delays and bad weather.
For buses, of course, as they use the same method as cars with roads. But not with trains. Trains are isolated into a insular railroad network only used by other trains. They don't need to heed to weather to not crash or take a detour for construction as their train rails are pre-designated and can go as faster than cars because of it. Underground transporation, less so.
>Most cities developed when all you could do is walk around. How many purely "walkable" cities have actually been designed and built from scratch?
Every single city before the existence of the mass-produced car with numerous evidence back to roman, greek or baylonian times. The nobles and kings of the past didn't say "Let's fuck ourselves over by making are cities fuck-off long with streets that are ugly and shitty for no reason". This is an extremely recent phenomenon that only existed after WW2, a mere blink of an eye compared to the spanning history of humanity.
If you're talking about after, there was pressure on european cities to adopt america's can-centric view, but that was dialed back heavily after people protested the amount of people getting hit in the street. Now there's a conserted effort to de-car-inized and it's always a net positive.
>Most planned communities in the U.S. are designed for how most people there want to actually live, not now some "walkability" obsessive wants them to live.
Absolutely not. The U.S is designed by arbitrary strict building code that is lobbied by various interest groups to keep things as inefficient and distant for their own interests. Roads that are exceedingly unnecessarily long are made to force consumers to buy a car along with dozens of chain restaurants to the side to purposefully entice consumers to habitually buy something they wouldn't have otherwise. Have you every noticed that the average suburbs has no private small business stores? that's why.
Oh, You want a mom and pop grocery store in the conveniently in the middle of your neighborhood and want to buy ingredients for a nice broth for tonight when you come back from the park? Sorry, bub. That's ILLEGAL in FREEDOMLAND. You WILL go to your corporate lobbied big store, you WILL bulk buy food and necessity like the world's ending and you WILL either come up short or too much because no one can plan their foods a month ahead (nor should they).
Also, funfact jaywalking is a crime literally only in america. It was lobbied into legislature by car companies to shift the blame away from drivers unto pedestrians after the massive surge in death caused by accidets.
No, I guarantee you that if, given the option, literally almost everyone would rather live in nice and beautiful walk able neighborhood (pic 1) to get bread and cheese by walking down the block rather than wait 30 minutes in soul-crushing traffic (pic 2).
>What if you don't want to limit yourself to grocery stores a few minutes walk, or to jobs within a few minutes walk?
Then I walk farther. If I can't walk then I can bike. If I can't bike than I can use the tram. If I can't tram I'll use the train, which is the end-all-be-all for almost everyone.
>The car allows you to go to so many more stores and in bulk with children in tow.
Then I can use a thing called a "Bag" or a bike with a bag on it. Crazy stuff.
On the serious side of things, the best solution that is simply to order it from your local store and they'll bring it to you. It's that easy.
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