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@luce-anon @lizzie there are programmed quakers who do things like communion or even baptism—actually there are a lot of them—but the traditional quaker argument is that, for the soul who is open to the Holy Spirit, all the outward signs of creation can be full of God's inward grace, and to one who is not like this, no ritual has any effect and Jesus did not intend to institute rote ordinances of this kind