@apropos @AmericanChampion @Ghislaine the goal of US intervention in Vietnam was to prevent the fall of the US aligned government in Saigon, and the task was assigned to the US military. This objective was not met. This was a failure to achieve the primary strategic goal of a defensive war and would be considered a “loss” by any objective observer.

The goal of the war in Afghanistan was to permanently remove the Afghani Taliban from power and to keep them from power, and the task was assigned to the US military. This objective was not met. This was a failure to achieve the primary strategic goal of an offensive war and would be considered a “loss” by any objective observer.