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> I'm advocating for upstream dependencies to support wider protocols and configurations.

Combinatorial complexity. I have to use this shitty browser and this shitty browser links against gtk3 because of course it does, and gtk3 has somehow become so intolerable that the GIMP team, which created gtk, refused to use it. The Wayland psychopaths actually *do* want to kill X.

> I care about this which is why I would bitch about projects needlessly refusing to accept PRs for building for RISC-V.

My point was Apple doesn't take your PRs. There is the flexible approach that lets you drive, and then there is the top-down system which cannot tolerate you driving. You look at the "Worse Is Better" part of Dick Gabriel's famous talk (in case anyone that hasn't read it happens upon the thread: https://dreamsongs.com/WIB.html ), and it was the same kind of fretting over Unix doing the wrong thing and being kind of a clunky pain, you read what almost any of the Lisp guys were saying in the 80s, or you look at the "Unix Hater's Handbook" and read all the rants. Unix went everywhere by being simple and flexible: maybe Apple's integrated supply chain can achieve things in the short-term that an open system of interchangeable parts cannot, but the advantage is just a marketing advantage that never lasts too long, and in the mean time, hackable code always seeps into places that a marketing division can't even see, let alone target.

And like I mentioned in the other post, TOP500 and OpenMPI and Plan 9 and whatever else: these represent large qualitative shifts. "Wayland? Well, let me tell you: the compositor is built in! NO TEARING!" It's not impressive, it's sure as hell not worth disrupting things that already work. Hitting a performance target that won't be impressive next year, minor UI changes, these are not even going to be footnotes. It's marketing caring about their Q3 push because the big boss wants to have some impressive graphs during his quaterly meeting with the board.

(Anyway, as far as PRs for building for RISC-V, so far it's been a surreal experience: everything works. I have spent so many years with ARM systems and a lot of 64-bit ARM stuff *still* takes some fiddling to build but nothing has ever given me trouble on RISC-V. I'm too shocked to be impressed.)